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Is it real in cambodia also, " no money no help"...
Here means no extra money beside ordinary process cost, there is no service..or they will delay,postpone ,slow down,put aside your application...

Thats a cultural... their government encourage or allow their officer to have this side income oso..

Well .... when a Captain rank in an RCAF department goes for $8k one would expect a return on that investment.

Jeffy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:57 am Is it real in cambodia also, " no money no help"...
Here means no extra money beside ordinary process cost, there is no service..or they will delay,postpone ,slow down,put aside your application...

Thats a cultural... their government encourage or allow their officer to have this side income oso..

This is normal with many things you need to get done in Cambodia.

Officially it doesn't happen. If someone gets filmed receiving a bribe, they may lose their job. Not because they received the bribe, but they let outsiders know about the secret side of Cambodia, and made the country look bad.

It is a secret that everybody who has been here for some time knows about. So it is not really a secret. They just think it is.

Officially they want everybody else to stop being corrupt, as long as they receive money themselves.

IraHayes wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:47 am Well .... when a Captain rank in an RCAF department goes for $8k one would expect a return on that investment.

To get certain jobs, people pay more than a lifetime's salary. They go into the job expecting to get money from sources other than their salary.

Extra payment for service is a part of the system,,,,the same as in yours and mine countries. The only difference is we call it a tax and it is also apart of our system and is quite legal.

Duncan wrote:Extra payment for service is a part of the system,,,,the same as in yours and mine countries. The only difference is we call it a tax and it is also apart of our system and is quite legal.

Tax in first world countries is usually transparent, well regulated and documented, and is used for communal benefit.
Bribes or ‘tips’ are obscure, not regulated or documented, and are for personal gain. IMHO.


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jah steu wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:43 pm

Duncan wrote:Extra payment for service is a part of the system,,,,the same as in yours and mine countries. The only difference is we call it a tax and it is also apart of our system and is quite legal.

Tax in first world countries is usually transparent, well regulated and documented, and is used for communal benefit.
Bribes or ‘tips’ are obscure, not regulated or documented, and are for personal gain. IMHO.


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Usually ,,,,That's the key word. But not always transparent. If it was we would be able to see exactly where the $60 million ? went and what it actually paid for when the OZ government paid money to the Cambodian government in the deal on refugees.

Probably thousands of similar cases in the past, but they are all forgotten as we concentrate on newer problems.

Duncan wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2019 10:47 am Extra payment for service is a part of the system,,,,the same as in yours and mine countries. The only difference is we call it a tax and it is also apart of our system and is quite legal.

I respectfully disagree with your assertion that the only difference between tax and bribes is what we call them. A few reasons:

- Lots of people are now paying their taxes here. Bribes are in addition to taxes, not instead of them.

- Corruption has disproportionate negative consequences for poor people, the very people that taxation is supposed to pay for safety nets to protect. If you're poor, paying taxes, and then still expected to pay the same bribes as rich people for basic services, you're getting shafted twice as hard.

- Taxes are set at transparent rates and if you don't like them, you can vote for someone who will change them.

- Where we come from, you can still use emergency services even if you aren't earning enough to pay tax. When bribes are required just to get a response from emergency services, the consequences can be terrible and unjust.

It's a shame that you have to explain that to a fully grown man

Captain Bonez wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:14 pm It's a shame that you have to explain that to a fully grown man

Can I blame it on my lack of education and trust of governments.