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"Need help. It seems like a friend got dosed with something at the Russian market. She wandered away and managed to get home somehow but doesn't remember me, shopping at the Russian market, or anything else that happened after she left her house. She has no idea how she got home. She doesn't remember anything. No one is sure but it sounds like Scopolamine, which is compound from the jimson weed/ belladonna family. Has anyone heard something about this? Should she go to the hospital?"

^ That was posted on social media. I have a hard time believing it.





Some replies to his story:

"Your friend is very lucky, I am happy she is safe <3 haven't heard of that here myself before though





Might actually be scopolamine. Apparently it's easily accessible here. Seems like someone tried to rob her but something went wrong. A visit at a hospital and running some blood tests might be a good idea; Allergic reaction is rare but you never know...





Jesus, how can someone do this? Do you have to drink the thing? Eat it?





It's enough you blow it into someone's face and they inhale....





Her memory came back fully after about 24 hours. She still doesn't remember what happened during those two missing hours. I've talked to some Cambodians since and they say that it is often well dressed Cambodians with lots of jewelry and rings and such who will do it, touch the skin and that's enough to make the person loose their minds, get on that persons motorbike and drive to the bank to empty their cards. Crazy stuff.





Did she lose anything?





Fortunately she didn't lose anything which is strange because she travelled about 10 blocks before the police reportedly put her in a Tuktuk headed for home. She had the bump on her head and a scraped spine. Don't know what happened.





Devil's breath in Cambodia? Wow, I thought that it was a thing in Colombia.





It's available here. Sadly....





Never seen scopolamine here, neither does the tree exist in Asia. So i dont know why you are so sure that it is (easily) available here.

+ the price of getting scopolamine here in cambodia would be much too much to try and rob some backpackers in the market.

Impossible to be sure without a lab test, but 99% sure it will be something else then scopolamine





They've been using in Sihanoukville for years."

General Mackevili wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:53 pm She had the bump on her head and a scraped spine. Don't know what happened.

she might want to check for a possibility of a rape

scary shit though
i remember similar stories also around Russian market from years ago

It's being used in France, so the papers say.

Not a very nice drug at all!

It's possible that it's available in pharmacies as Hyoscine.

Unlikely to be Scopolamine, which is used to relieve nausea, vomiting, and dizziness associated with motion sickness and recovery from anesthesia and surgery etc. While unusual reactions to ordinary doses have been reported such as "confusion, agitation, rambling speech, hallucinations, paranoid behaviors, and delusions". This is not common and while rapidly acting incapacitating agents do exist Scopalamine is not one of them.

If the woman's report are to be believed I would think that something like Fentanyl or QNB would be more likely. Because of the "myth status" of scopolomine victims of incapacitating agents assume it was scopalamine and by the time a victim is admitted to a hospital the incapacitating agent, whatever it was is long out of the system. Info on dosage here:https://www.drugs.com/dosage/scopolamine.html

"Fentanyl (and other opioids) could possibly be used as an incapacitating agent to impair a person’s ability to function. In October 2002, the Russian military reportedly used “a fentanyl derivative” against terrorists holding hostages in a Moscow theater; 127 of the hostages died. (It is unclear whether the gas used also included other chemical agent(s).) Fentanyl is odorless."

"Fentanyl can be absorbed into the body via inhalation, oral exposure or ingestion, or skin contact. It is not known whether fentanyl can be absorbed systemically through the eye."https://www.cdc.gov/NIOSH/ershdb/Emerge ... 50022.html

"QNB is an incapacitating agent and has been considered historically for use as a chemical warfare agent. A very potent drug, QNB causes confusion and hallucinations; it also affects circulation, digestion, salivation, sweating, and vision. Impairments caused by QNB are generally temporary and unlikely to be fatal; however, they can be severe if exposure is large enough."

"QNB can be absorbed into the body by inhalation, ingestion, skin contact, or eye contact. Inhalation and ingestion are important routes of exposure for the solid. Skin and eye contact are routes of exposure when QNB is mixed with a liquid solvent that would enhance absorption."https://www.cdc.gov/NIOSH/ershdb/Emerge ... 50015.html

He said bump on the head, so sounds like plain old concussion to me.

cptrelentless wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 4:12 pm He said bump on the head, so sounds like plain old concussion to me.

Yes I think your correct, I didn't see that at first reading.
"Fortunately she didn't lose anything which is strange because she travelled about 10 blocks before the police reportedly put her in a Tuktuk headed for home. She had the bump on her head and a scraped spine. Don't know what happened."

Could have been knocked of the back of a moto or something. In that case checking for TBI at a hospital would be a good idea. I would suggest get there asap. A friend of mine had a brother who had a similar accident here. He was knocked off the back of his friends moto as they were setting off. He hit his head on the kerb. He thought he was ok but in the night his condition deteriorated, he was taken to hospital but died before morning.

datura is a rich source of the scopalimide alkaloids and the seeds carry a very potent dose.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datura#Toxicity
i took it as a teenager and was out of it for 3 days. i mean, i was paralyzed. the people who stupidly gave it to me gave me a large dose, and did not call an ambulance. at least they did look after me; took about a week for my vision to normalise.
when i came back to conciousness, i was having a piss and i noticed a bearded gnome sitting on the bathtub- then i turned around and he was gone. that is when i started to realise i was in trouble.
LOL.
it was an over the counter medicine for asthmatics sold as "blue mountain asthmador" and was used in therapeutic cigarettes for many years. It often included lobelia spp.
Taken orally, it killed many entheogen seekers in the 1960's.

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