Jimmy Savile : A British horror story
Re: Jimmy Savile : A British horror story
I remember that documentary. Theroux kept pressing him in his unique innocent style and really got under Savile's skin. Most of his interviews where at the height of his fame and influence and were little more than puff pieces by the likes of Russel Harty and Parkinson. Theroux had a much more critical agenda.armchairlawyer wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:16 amLouis Theroux asked him this question and he answered as you surmised. Presumably this conversation is in the doco, if not it's a terrible omission.
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No, it was the first name mentioned in the Wikipedia article I posted. The ringleader. I posted a long list of child abuse cases nearly all involving white "Christians" but you ignored it because your opinion is "facts". Keep on ranting about "muslins" now, hopefully it will detract attention from those nice Christian royals and members of the UK establishment.tightenupvolume1 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 13, 2022 2:52 pmJohn Bingham wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:58 pmYeah, it's all about the muslins mate. Fred West, Gary Glitter, Jimmy Savile, Prince Andrew, Prince Charles, Louis Mountbatten and all the other "muslins".
You googled and scrolled through dozens of muslim names until you came across a Sikh name as if to prove a point.
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There you go again "THE ringleader" ! There are gangs in towns and cities all over the country. Watch the LBC clip you are doing exactly the same as the caller. This is my last comment on this.
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Good, you're just repeating Tommy Robinson propaganda anyway and trying to detract from the main topic.
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Well ok so one could assume that there is a cultural dimension to these deeds when originating from a morally bankrupt country where religious behavior allows stupid & cruel deeds, that's a given.
The 72 virgins thing in heaven doesn't make it look good anyway.
But why oh why so many cases between people from more or less the same cultural soil, a.k.a the UK locals ?
What specific society settings allows this to happen, in such a country ?
It does seems more cases than other close-by countries, is there a consensus about that, from UK people ? Or is it like "Nah, same as your country, you just didn't unveiled all your country cases, so that's why we look bad at the moment" ?
The 72 virgins thing in heaven doesn't make it look good anyway.
But why oh why so many cases between people from more or less the same cultural soil, a.k.a the UK locals ?
What specific society settings allows this to happen, in such a country ?
It does seems more cases than other close-by countries, is there a consensus about that, from UK people ? Or is it like "Nah, same as your country, you just didn't unveiled all your country cases, so that's why we look bad at the moment" ?
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I don't think perversion is a particularly British trait, speaking as a neutral I think the Canadians, english, irish, belgians, dutch, germans and swiss all have equally harrowing tales of abuse in recent decadesGhostwriter wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:21 am
But why oh why so many cases between people from more or less the same cultural soil, a.k.a the UK locals ?
What specific society settings allows this to happen, in such a country ?
It does seems more cases than other close-by countries, is there a consensus about that, from UK people ? Or is it like "Nah, same as your country, you just didn't unveiled all your country cases, so that's why we look bad at the moment" ?
I suspect it's present in most all countries to a similar level - but probably higher in countries that have had recent conflicts/trauma and may not be exposed or highlighted to the extent that it has been in "western" nations in recent decades
Ukraine and Moldova for example; child sex abuse in endemic in both those countries according to media reports - both relatively closed society's with recent generational trauma
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I watched it yesterday. My overriding thought was how did the British public fall for that act for decades?
He very nearly got caught. Despite a great deal of seasoned Fleet Street tabloid hacks searching for years for a single kiss and tell story, (and couldn't find a single woman he had ever had a normal relationship with) it was only when the internet got going, and the forums became more prolific, did his name keep coming up, particularly at that secure school for girls that had committed serious crimes. When they started posting it gave the journalists their first serious leads.
However, the BBC and the police all conspired to silence and cover up what they must have known to be the truth by then. But the truth was just too unbearable to face.
He died just in time but once he did the floodgates opened up and not only were people coming forward about him, but also about many others too; Rolf Harris, Max Clifford and Stuart Hall were all exposed and imprisoned by Operation Yewtree that was established as a result of the Savile accusations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Yewtree
He very nearly got caught. Despite a great deal of seasoned Fleet Street tabloid hacks searching for years for a single kiss and tell story, (and couldn't find a single woman he had ever had a normal relationship with) it was only when the internet got going, and the forums became more prolific, did his name keep coming up, particularly at that secure school for girls that had committed serious crimes. When they started posting it gave the journalists their first serious leads.
However, the BBC and the police all conspired to silence and cover up what they must have known to be the truth by then. But the truth was just too unbearable to face.
He died just in time but once he did the floodgates opened up and not only were people coming forward about him, but also about many others too; Rolf Harris, Max Clifford and Stuart Hall were all exposed and imprisoned by Operation Yewtree that was established as a result of the Savile accusations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Yewtree
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The horror...
His face and meltings downs make me feel so sorry for him, i don't even know how one could manage to keep living so far without exploding at some point.
So why isn't Theresa May in trouble for her shit decision nowadays ?
Just found that quote, seems appropriate somehow
His face and meltings downs make me feel so sorry for him, i don't even know how one could manage to keep living so far without exploding at some point.
So why isn't Theresa May in trouble for her shit decision nowadays ?
Just found that quote, seems appropriate somehow
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Inverted snobbery made the elite fall for Jimmy Savile
Ten years on from the dark revelations about Jimmy Savile’s half-century as a predator, TV and the nation are beating themselves up about the way Britain collectively treated him as a laugh, a heroic fundraiser, almost a saint (a Papal knight, God help us!).
While the horrors must be remembered, the educative part of the Netflix documentary about him is the first episode, looking at his rise. Every famous face from the 1970s to the millennium is there, cooing and giggling at his sleaziest remarks, Mrs Thatcher defying her advisers to make him a knight, Selina Scott cringing to watch herself on populist TV having to flirt and giggle at his innuendoes even while most grown-up women found him as creepy as any flasher.
James Marriott wrote yesterday about the power of eccentricity, and he’s right. But closer to the heart of the great delusion was the cringe of inverted snobbery. Here’s Prince Charles, poor devil, writing “’Perhaps I am wrong, but you are the bloke who knows what’s going on”. When he wistfully says “I so want to get to parts of the country that others don’t get to reach” we know what he means: the plebby bits, common bits, where they say “bloke” rather than “chap”.
His prime patron, the BBC, was almost equally royal as it emerged cautiously from a period of formal broadcasting, with no one edgier than Cliff Michelmore. Its upper-middle graduate managers heard the Merseybeat, saw Terence Donovan and David Bailey lionised and felt the social waters rising. Savile was their liferaft, an unthreatening link to the (often imaginary) common man. “He was a miner! Northern! A wrestler!”
The Yorkshire accent always reassures the stiffer south and Savile played the patter well. “Now then, guys and gals, as it ’appens. . .” The corporation felt reassured, closer to the alarming, alien species beyond its walls. The posher you were, the more important to give him his head and forgive the lecherous sexist remarks and lunges at “the ladies”.
Like aristocrats claiming kinship with their gamekeepers, they loved having him as proof they weren’t snobs. There is a parallel in the present media reluctance to condemn repellent misogynistic gangsta-rap: gotta be down with the rough kidz, it’s certainly easier than actually befriending, educating, employing and properly housing them.
Out in the real middling world, many, if not most of us, found Savile repulsive and did not want our children near him. Nurses warned against him in the hospitals, but got slapped down by senior managers, dazzled by his fundraising talents and his grand “friends” — the gullible sorts who thought him down-to-earth and thus ignored the dirt.
Inverted snobbery made the elite fall for Jimmy Savile
Ten years on from the dark revelations about Jimmy Savile’s half-century as a predator, TV and the nation are beating themselves up about the way Britain collectively treated him as a laugh, a heroic fundraiser, almost a saint (a Papal knight, God help us!).
While the horrors must be remembered, the educative part of the Netflix documentary about him is the first episode, looking at his rise. Every famous face from the 1970s to the millennium is there, cooing and giggling at his sleaziest remarks, Mrs Thatcher defying her advisers to make him a knight, Selina Scott cringing to watch herself on populist TV having to flirt and giggle at his innuendoes even while most grown-up women found him as creepy as any flasher.
James Marriott wrote yesterday about the power of eccentricity, and he’s right. But closer to the heart of the great delusion was the cringe of inverted snobbery. Here’s Prince Charles, poor devil, writing “’Perhaps I am wrong, but you are the bloke who knows what’s going on”. When he wistfully says “I so want to get to parts of the country that others don’t get to reach” we know what he means: the plebby bits, common bits, where they say “bloke” rather than “chap”.
His prime patron, the BBC, was almost equally royal as it emerged cautiously from a period of formal broadcasting, with no one edgier than Cliff Michelmore. Its upper-middle graduate managers heard the Merseybeat, saw Terence Donovan and David Bailey lionised and felt the social waters rising. Savile was their liferaft, an unthreatening link to the (often imaginary) common man. “He was a miner! Northern! A wrestler!”
The Yorkshire accent always reassures the stiffer south and Savile played the patter well. “Now then, guys and gals, as it ’appens. . .” The corporation felt reassured, closer to the alarming, alien species beyond its walls. The posher you were, the more important to give him his head and forgive the lecherous sexist remarks and lunges at “the ladies”.
Like aristocrats claiming kinship with their gamekeepers, they loved having him as proof they weren’t snobs. There is a parallel in the present media reluctance to condemn repellent misogynistic gangsta-rap: gotta be down with the rough kidz, it’s certainly easier than actually befriending, educating, employing and properly housing them.
Out in the real middling world, many, if not most of us, found Savile repulsive and did not want our children near him. Nurses warned against him in the hospitals, but got slapped down by senior managers, dazzled by his fundraising talents and his grand “friends” — the gullible sorts who thought him down-to-earth and thus ignored the dirt.
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