Extinction: The Facts

Phnom Poon · Post by **Phnom Poon** » Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:25 pm

Anthony's Weiner wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:00 pm The average cost of one suicide was $1,329,553. USA
More than 97 percent of this cost was due to lost productivity.

lol
slaves giving the finger?

SternAAlbifrons · Post by **SternAAlbifrons** » Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:34 am

Anthony's Weiner wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:00 pm
The average cost of one suicide was $1,329,553. USA
More than 97 percent of this cost was due to lost productivity. The remaining 3 percent were costs associated with medical treatment. USA

stepping back a bit from the overpopulation issue itself, and with due respect AW

WTF has this ^^^ got to do with it?
WTF - "lost productivity"
Who gives a WTF about "lost productivity" when talking about suicide??

Sorry, just me, but that i find that bazaar (and hideous).
Have we really let Murdoch et al convince us all that we are "units of production" to the degree where it is a major consideration when discussing suicide prevention?

newkidontheblock · Post by **newkidontheblock** » Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:32 am

Chad Sexington wrote:I’m not asking anyone to offer their lives, and the only card I carry is for organ donation (I’ve always been an advocate for compulsory donation and am registered for donation in more than one country) you seem to imply that I am against medical intervention, but you are incorrect. I’m quite prepared to take my chances regarding the current pandemic and the people who care about me are well aware of my wishes that should I fall ill (or be injured) and attempting to save me would result in a compromised quality of life, then those attempts should not be made.

Flowery nebulous prose of the highest order.

In the People’s Republic of China, there’s compulsory organ donation, too for select groups. After a compulsory organ donor is type and matched , the person is strapped to a table and the organs ripped out while the patient is crying and screaming. Freshest organs with the maximum blood flow just before harvest.

What’s a compromised quality of life?
Flu shots make people sick for a while. Antibiotics can cause diarrhea. Getting plates, screws, and rods for broken legs and arms hurt. People who get heart stents need blood thinners. High blood pressure, diabetes, heart disease, even bad heartburn need pills every day. One can argue that all these things force people to make compromises on their quality of life by forcing them pain and suffering.

Studies have shown that populations who reach affluent lifestyles stop having large number of kids. Gays don’t get pregnant at all.

I’d argue that most Cambodians are trying to reach the affluent, first world life, and thus trying to have less kids in the future.

Just my crazy thoughts.

bong.kuit · Post by **bong.kuit** » Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:54 am

newkidontheblock wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:32 am
Chad Sexington wrote:I’m not asking anyone to offer their lives, and the only card I carry is for organ donation (I’ve always been an advocate for compulsory donation and am registered for donation in more than one country) you seem to imply that I am against medical intervention, but you are incorrect. I’m quite prepared to take my chances regarding the current pandemic and the people who care about me are well aware of my wishes that should I fall ill (or be injured) and attempting to save me would result in a compromised quality of life, then those attempts should not be made.
Flowery nebulous prose of the highest order.

In the People’s Republic of China, there’s compulsory organ donation, too for select groups. After a compulsory organ donor is type and matched , the person is strapped to a table and the organs ripped out while the patient is crying and screaming. Freshest organs with the maximum blood flow just before harvest.

What’s a compromised quality of life?
Flu shots make people sick for a while. Antibiotics can cause diarrhea. Getting plates, screws, and rods for broken legs and arms hurt. People who get heart stents need blood thinners. High blood pressure, diabetes, heart disease, even bad heartburn need pills every day. One can argue that all these things force people to make compromises on their quality of life by forcing them pain and suffering.

Studies have shown that populations who reach affluent lifestyles stop having large number of kids. Gays don’t get pregnant at all.

I’d argue that most Cambodians are trying to reach the affluent, first world life, and thus trying to have less kids in the future.

Just my crazy thoughts.

Chad Sexington · Post by **Chad Sexington** » Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:01 am

newkidontheblock wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:32 am
Chad Sexington wrote:I’m not asking anyone to offer their lives, and the only card I carry is for organ donation (I’ve always been an advocate for compulsory donation and am registered for donation in more than one country) you seem to imply that I am against medical intervention, but you are incorrect. I’m quite prepared to take my chances regarding the current pandemic and the people who care about me are well aware of my wishes that should I fall ill (or be injured) and attempting to save me would result in a compromised quality of life, then those attempts should not be made.
Flowery nebulous prose of the highest order.

In the People’s Republic of China, there’s compulsory organ donation, too for select groups. After a compulsory organ donor is type and matched , the person is strapped to a table and the organs ripped out while the patient is crying and screaming. Freshest organs with the maximum blood flow just before harvest.

What’s a compromised quality of life?
Flu shots make people sick for a while. Antibiotics can cause diarrhea. Getting plates, screws, and rods for broken legs and arms hurt. People who get heart stents need blood thinners. High blood pressure, diabetes, heart disease, even bad heartburn need pills every day. One can argue that all these things force people to make compromises on their quality of life by forcing them pain and suffering.

Studies have shown that populations who reach affluent lifestyles stop having large number of kids. Gays don’t get pregnant at all.

I’d argue that most Cambodians are trying to reach the affluent, first world life, and thus trying to have less kids in the future.

Just my crazy thoughts.

“Crazy” being the operative word, you really interpreted my comments and came up with this? you certainly think “outside the box”
This thread is starting to get way off topic, but I will respond to a couple of your points.
Do you really interpret compulsory organ donation, not as eliminating the (in my opinion) shameful burying and cremation of healthy organs that could be transplanted and greatly improve the quality of life for those with certain debilitating medical issues, as the stalking and murdering of healthy people so their organs can be harvested for the benefit of wealthy Chinese?
On topic, you state that “ gays not getting pregnant” contributes to the control of global population growth. Now, are you sure about that? While there are some lesbians who don’t get pregnant, many of them certainly do, and while male gays don’t get pregnant they certainly can, and many of them do, father children. But maybe you are right and the “Gays” albeit limited abstinence from parenthood will hopefully go a long way towards reducing the otherwise soaring global population to a sustainable level, thus avoiding any mass extinctions.

Anthony's Weiner · Post by **Anthony's Weiner** » Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:07 am

Chad Sexington wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:08 pm
Anthony's Weiner wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:00 pm
Chad Sexington wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:15 pm The fucking elephant in the room, global overpopulation! If nothing is done to halt or decrease the human overpopulation of this planet no amount of clean energy or recycling will save it. We are currently in the grip of a global pandemic and are hell bent on defeating it and keeping as many people alive as possible, why? when they will only continue to contribute to the pressure on the worlds resources, same as we keep doing with droughts/famines (are they not nature’s way of telling us we’re too numerous?)
Mass extinctions are inevitable, if we don’t end up eating all the animals, or if they do not go extinct due to their habitat being concreted over for housing or turned over for growing the ever increasing amount of crops being grown to feed the continually growing population, those animals still remaining will need to be eradicated anyway to protect those crops. It’s either us or them, we cannot continue as we are and have both.
Anybody seriously concerned about the planet should commit to not having more than 1 child or preferably none (if it’s too late for you, then convince your children & grandchildren to abstain) it’ll do way more good than fucking riding a bike to work or recycling water bottles.
Regarding pandemics, droughts/famines etc. would it not be better to let them run their course and thin out the population thereby reducing pressure on the planet and its resources?
So who gets to decide which diseases / conditions we treat and which ones we allow nature to take it's course? I have a stent in the artery entering my heart and 3 titanium screws holding an elbow together. Without modern medicine the past 20 years of my life would have been fairly unpreductive and the last 4 wouldn t have existed. Have you decided this solution applies to you? Do you carry a card stating you do not want medical care or are you relying on others to offer their lives first.

Logically suicide prevention would be the first casualty. Why prevent someone from helping out with the overcrowding problem. However these statistics are soberin.
The average cost of one suicide was $1,329,553. USA
More than 97 percent of this cost was due to lost productivity. The remaining 3 percent were costs associated with medical treatment. USA
https://www.sprc.org/about-suicide/costs
I’m not asking anyone to offer their lives, and the only card I carry is for organ donation (I’ve always been an advocate for compulsory donation and am registered for donation in more than one country) you seem to imply that I am against medical intervention, but you are incorrect. I’m quite prepared to take my chances regarding the current pandemic and the people who care about me are well aware of my wishes that should I fall ill (or be injured) and attempting to save me would result in a compromised quality of life, then those attempts should not be made.
My main point is that unchecked global overpopulation combined with keeping everyone alive for as long as possible (in some cases against their will) clashes with desire to save the environment.
I’d rather population growth was checked/reduced by birth control than by pandemics, but without one the other is inevitable. If the population continues to increase at the current rate, sooner or later there has to be a mass die off either from famine, pandemic or wars fought over the remaining limited resources. My point about letting the pandemic run its course, is that if we will not reduce the population by other means, we are only delaying the inevitable.

I agree completely that over population is driving us to extinction. Heart diseas and stroke are the biggest killers worldwide far more than Covid19. Who gets to choose which disease / condition we let run it's course and which we treat? As heart disease is usually the result of lifestyle choices, it would only seem fair to let those who suffer reap what they have sowed.

Anthony's Weiner · Post by **Anthony's Weiner** » Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:21 am

SternAAlbifrons wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:34 am
Anthony's Weiner wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:00 pm
The average cost of one suicide was $1,329,553. USA
More than 97 percent of this cost was due to lost productivity. The remaining 3 percent were costs associated with medical treatment. USA
stepping back a bit from the overpopulation issue itself, and with due respect AW

WTF has this ^^^ got to do with it?
WTF - "lost productivity"
Who gives a WTF about "lost productivity" when talking about suicide??

Sorry, just me, but that i find that bazaar (and hideous).
Have we really let Murdoch et al convince us all that we are "units of production" to the degree where it is a major consideration when discussing suicide prevention?

i also think it strange that a suicide prevention organisation has monetized the cost of a suicide.

There are two categories of productivity loss that we commonly use—(1) losses that result from a reduction in an organization’s ability to execute on its primary value proposition (the primary value proposition is the reason that the organization exists, usually as a result of the products and services that it offers the marketplace), and (2) losses that result from personnel being paid but unable to perform their duties.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/co ... ivity-loss

if we are to look at lives purely as a cost / benefit certainly anyone who has had a public education and a universtiy educationhas been subsidised by society with the unwritten understanding that society will benefit from that investment. Companies, governments and other organisations train their employees at thier expense with the understanding that training will benefit them. A Doctor who has attended public school and public universities who commits suicide has in a sense defrauded the public purse. Murdoch is a late comer to the game, Adam Smith and the Wealth of a Nation were the genisis of reducing huans to a monetary unit roughly 150 years ago.

Anthony's Weiner · Post by **Anthony's Weiner** » Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:23 am

newkidontheblock wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:32 am
Chad Sexington wrote:I’m not asking anyone to offer their lives, and the only card I carry is for organ donation (I’ve always been an advocate for compulsory donation and am registered for donation in more than one country) you seem to imply that I am against medical intervention, but you are incorrect. I’m quite prepared to take my chances regarding the current pandemic and the people who care about me are well aware of my wishes that should I fall ill (or be injured) and attempting to save me would result in a compromised quality of life, then those attempts should not be made.
Flowery nebulous prose of the highest order.

In the People’s Republic of China, there’s compulsory organ donation, too for select groups. After a compulsory organ donor is type and matched , the person is strapped to a table and the organs ripped out while the patient is crying and screaming. Freshest organs with the maximum blood flow just before harvest.

What’s a compromised quality of life?
Flu shots make people sick for a while. Antibiotics can cause diarrhea. Getting plates, screws, and rods for broken legs and arms hurt. People who get heart stents need blood thinners. High blood pressure, diabetes, heart disease, even bad heartburn need pills every day. One can argue that all these things force people to make compromises on their quality of life by forcing them pain and suffering.

Studies have shown that populations who reach affluent lifestyles stop having large number of kids. Gays don’t get pregnant at all.

I’d argue that most Cambodians are trying to reach the affluent, first world life, and thus trying to have less kids in the future.

Just my crazy thoughts.

At least you are honest, just your crazy thoughts

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