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Ghostwriter wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 7:01 pm Would the Stones dare to replace Watts in order to continue to play ?
I dont think they can pull out of the No filter tour. To much money involved behind, depends who owns who.
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bossho wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 6:50 pm
tightenupvolume1 wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:39 pm
bossho wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 4:52 pm
tightenupvolume1 wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 4:39 pm Another urban myth is when the stones were going through USA customs. They each replied to the question "occupation" musician, when Charlie Watts said it Mick said "no not he's not he's a drummer"
@TUV1, are you saying that the story about Charlie taking a swipe at Mick is urban myth? Or the customs story in NY is myth?

Kris Kristofferson is no myth, I dare someone out there to even think of maligning Kris K.
Kris Kristofferson was an early member of the Manson family, he only left when he got a record deal :stir:
You know I've read that too. Kris must have cleaned up a lot for Barbara Streisand for the "Star is born" Funny that you bring up Manson because just yesterday I was talking to someone about my firm feeling that if you took any middle of the road Phnom Penh bar girl and plugged her into a Manson scene, they could easily have done the job that Squeaky Fromme or Sadie Mae Glutz did.
Brilliant I just invented an urban myth about Kris and you know it already, shows how easy it is
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Ok, there is a very big reach to connect Charlie Manson with Kris Kristofferson, nothing like the connection Brian Wilson (Beach Boys) had with Manson.

And it looks like Bill Wyman retired in '94..... so I got that one wrong too.

But other than those two items you can hang your hat on anything else I've stated in this thread.
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Most people know about the beach boy connection. Twenty years down the line people will be talking about Kris and manson, cheers we just started an urban myth :hattip:
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tightenupvolume1 wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 1:12 am Most people know about the beach boy connection. Twenty years down the line people will be talking about Kris and manson, cheers we just started an urban myth :hattip:
We should prolly keep it on the DL, sooner or later someone else will put it together, I mean it's right there, both of them attended more than a few Esalen Institute Workshops at the same time.
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Doc67 wrote:
phuketrichard wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 7:03 am Image

had one hell of a run, no regrets i bet
Why do all famous people die "surrounded by their family"? The rich and famous always seem to be able to coral their entire family to a hospital bed and then die. How long were they all waiting for? I am sure that in death, as in life, it's all PR bollocks to make them sound better than the little people.

Personally, I can't think of anything more ghoulish than having to look up at my kids, looking down at me, watching me die.
What a ridiculous comment, Doc. I'm sure if you were bedridden and painfully living out your last days, your kids would rush to be by your side, rock star or not. And I am quite sure you'd want them there, too.
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Chuck Borris wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:53 pm
Ghostwriter wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 7:01 pm Would the Stones dare to replace Watts in order to continue to play ?
I dont think they can pull out of the No filter tour. To much money involved behind, depends who owns who.
Charlie was already replaced for the upcoming tour by Steve Jordan. A long time collaborater with the Stones.
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FrankReynolds wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 8:32 am
Doc67 wrote:
phuketrichard wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 7:03 am Image

had one hell of a run, no regrets i bet
Why do all famous people die "surrounded by their family"? The rich and famous always seem to be able to coral their entire family to a hospital bed and then die. How long were they all waiting for? I am sure that in death, as in life, it's all PR bollocks to make them sound better than the little people.

Personally, I can't think of anything more ghoulish than having to look up at my kids, looking down at me, watching me die.
What a ridiculous comment, Doc. I'm sure if you were bedridden and painfully living out your last days, your kids would rush to be by your side, rock star or not. And I am quite sure you'd want them there, too.
As for the scenario of bedridden, in pain and facing imminent death (nice hyperbole), I stand by my view, I wouldn't want them there. Whether I get my wish will probably be out of my control. All those memories, the vivid images, never go away. Much better a nice nurse cranking up the morphine and making the call when it's all over. But I'm not sentimental about these things, and that's a personal matter; some might want all that bedside vigil scene.

Anyway, my main point was not about me and my hopes in death. It was just a cynical observation about the endless pursuit of celebrities and their PR people to create an image, even in death. And I just don't believe it. The next time a celebrity dies, watch out for the 'surrounded by their family' quote. Unless they drop dead at home of a massive heart attack or overdose, they all seem to have incredible logistical skills.

Death comes very slowly, and then, very quickly. The notion the whole family is always surrounding their beds at the time of death is palpable nonsense, unless you are a celebrity, and then it is de rigueur.

Maybe I should of picked someone less popular than Charlies Watts to make my cynical observation.
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Doc67 wrote:
FrankReynolds wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 8:32 am
Doc67 wrote:
phuketrichard wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 7:03 am Image

had one hell of a run, no regrets i bet
Why do all famous people die "surrounded by their family"? The rich and famous always seem to be able to coral their entire family to a hospital bed and then die. How long were they all waiting for? I am sure that in death, as in life, it's all PR bollocks to make them sound better than the little people.

Personally, I can't think of anything more ghoulish than having to look up at my kids, looking down at me, watching me die.
What a ridiculous comment, Doc. I'm sure if you were bedridden and painfully living out your last days, your kids would rush to be by your side, rock star or not. And I am quite sure you'd want them there, too.
As for the scenario of bedridden, in pain and facing imminent death (nice hyperbole), I stand by my view, I wouldn't want them there. Whether I get my wish will probably be out of my control. All those memories, the vivid images, never go away. Much better a nice nurse cranking up the morphine and making the call when it's all over. But I'm not sentimental about these things, and that's a personal matter; some might want all that bedside vigil scene.

Anyway, my main point was not about me and my hopes in death. It was just a cynical observation about the endless pursuit of celebrities and their PR people to create an image, even in death. And I just don't believe it. The next time a celebrity dies, watch out for the 'surrounded by their family' quote. Unless they drop dead at home of a massive heart attack or overdose, they all seem to have incredible logistical skills.

Death comes very slowly, and then, very quickly. The notion the whole family is always surrounding their beds at the time of death is palpable nonsense, unless you are a celebrity, and then it is de rigueur.

Maybe I should of picked someone less popular than Charlies Watts to make my cynical observation.
I do appreciate your well worded explanation, and apologies for the hyperbole. Yours was not a ridiculous comment. We merely have a differing view on things. I was clouded by my own life experiences and emotions.
The line, death comes very slowly and then very quickly is a poignant one.

2 years ago almost to the day, my dad passed. He was at home, surrounded by family for the most part, as it had been a long drawn out decline and we could prepare for those final days where the doctors had basically said go home, there's nothing more we can do. The last days of consciousness were spent saying final goodbyes to his closest family and friends. Everyone knowing what was about to come, and struggling to find the words to express it. He chose his own funeral songs. For the final few days he was unconscious, in a medically induced coma due to the pain, and we nursed him ourselves. Taking care of cleaning him up, changing his diaper and hopelessly trying to avoid the encroaching bedsores. It was both a humbling experience and an honour to do that for one's own parent. He died twice actually. Well not really because that's impossible, but it felt that way at the time. The first time, when I was the only one home and by his bedside, in hindsight about 3 days from the end, just as we had our final (and extremely rare) heartfelt conversation. He stopped breathing and turned grey for about 90 seconds, lifeless. I begged him to hang on just a little longer as mum was on her way home. He exhaled all the life out. Gurgled, and was gone, empty eyes open. As I was trying to comprehend this, he took a sharp intake of breath, almost like he had listened to me begging him. Back in the room.

The end came slowly, until he finally passed, with no one in the room at the time with him apart from, coincidentally, a cancer trust nurse doing her rounds. Mum was cooking. I was exercising outside, just metres away. So the end came quickly. Blink and you miss it. Be there or be elsewhere, later wishing you weren't. I flew home to be there, and felt (still feel) it was the right thing to do.


That was cathartic. I've never really spoken about it.
Thank you, Doc.

Apologies for the thread hijack.
RIP Charlie Watts. "Rock and roll has probably given more than it has taken."



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Big Daikon wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 7:46 pm
bossho wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 7:13 pm Thank you, this is seminal to understanding the true nature of Kristofferson, the man not the star, I'd say we can open up any and all conjecture/knowledge of Kris Kristofferson not exactly measuring up to standard middle class values now.

I think we are safe exploring Kris here now so long as we stay clear of Jerry Jeff and Waylon, and Willie for that matter, though I' d like to think that the readership here would not stoop so low but I've been wrong before thus I threw that out there.
Kris K starred in a decent adaptation of a great Mishima novel.
He was also in Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia, a small part but what an excellent movie, Peckinpah's best.

Anyway RIP Charlie Watts, as someone of the next generation I liked the Stones and Beatles equally :hattip:
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