Reporting news. Links, photos, what to show or not show?

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Re: Reporting news. Links, photos, what to show or not show?

Post by Anchor Moy » Fri Apr 22, 2016 7:41 pm

kiwiincambodia wrote:I've always been against posting the photos but I also feel it is important to reference the original news source.
That's my point - the problem is that when you supply a link to the original Khmer news source it (very) often includes graphic photos. And no matter how much "warning" you give for the link, most people outside of Cambodia news circles will still click on the link and be shocked shitless.
The other problem mentioned is the comments. As an expat forum, I think that it's completely legitimate to comment when there are spikes in expat or tourist deaths in a particular age-group or in a location. When there are suddenly a whole lot of foreigners who die in their rooms of inexplained "heart attacks", then I think it is legitimate to comment on this. That said, when you comment, try to imagine that real people will be reading what you wrote.
I would almost support a private comments /discussion sector - insiders only - but i don't see how it could be done.
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Post by General Mackevili » Fri Apr 22, 2016 7:41 pm

kiwiincambodia wrote:I've always been against posting the photos but I also feel it is important to reference the original news source.
Yeah, and that's the biggest catch 22 (obviously).

I hope my above post can kind of helps balance the need to make source info available to those who want it and very well hidden from those who don't (including members and the public).
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Re: Reporting news. Links, photos, what to show or not show?

Post by kiwiincambodia » Fri Apr 22, 2016 7:44 pm

Anchor Moy wrote:
kiwiincambodia wrote:I've always been against posting the photos but I also feel it is important to reference the original news source.
That's my point - the problem is that when you supply a link to the original Khmer news source it (very) often includes graphic photos. And no matter how much "warning" you give for the link, most people outside of Cambodia news circles will still click on the link and be shocked shitless.
The other problem mentioned is the comments. As an expat forum, I think that it's completely legitimate to comment when there are spikes in expat or tourist deaths in a particular age-group or in a location. When there are suddenly a whole lot of foreigners who die in their rooms of inexplained "heart attacks", then I think it is legitimate to comment on this. That said, when you comment, try to imagine that real people will be reading what you wrote.
I would almost support a private comments /discussion sector - insiders only - but i don't see how it could be done.
To be fair, that's why I don't normally post on the death threads. It will only be a matter of time before I make an inappropriate joke that could offend someone.

It's about self moderation and not being a dick. Just don't abuse the dead (which should be common sense) if people can do that then there is nothing to worry about.
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Post by bolueeleh » Fri Apr 22, 2016 7:59 pm

there will not be any self moderation i assume (freedom of speech thingy), so the best solution is,
1 - all in 1 thread,
2 - disable comments,
3 - sticky it
4 - a private section only for members who are fair game status, to go all out (i am assuming that family members are newly joined so they most probably be under protection status)
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Re: Reporting news. Links, photos, what to show or not show?

Post by Anchor Moy » Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:06 pm

kiwiincambodia wrote:
Anchor Moy wrote:
kiwiincambodia wrote:I've always been against posting the photos but I also feel it is important to reference the original news source.
That's my point - the problem is that when you supply a link to the original Khmer news source it (very) often includes graphic photos. And no matter how much "warning" you give for the link, most people outside of Cambodia news circles will still click on the link and be shocked shitless.
The other problem mentioned is the comments. As an expat forum, I think that it's completely legitimate to comment when there are spikes in expat or tourist deaths in a particular age-group or in a location. When there are suddenly a whole lot of foreigners who die in their rooms of inexplained "heart attacks", then I think it is legitimate to comment on this. That said, when you comment, try to imagine that real people will be reading what you wrote.
I would almost support a private comments /discussion sector - insiders only - but i don't see how it could be done.
To be fair, that's why I don't normally post on the death threads. It will only be a matter of time before I make an inappropriate joke that could offend someone.

It's about self moderation and not being a dick. Just don't abuse the dead (which should be common sense) if people can do that then there is nothing to worry about.
I don't think that posters here mean to be dickish, but when you're in Cambodia and you read the expat forums and the Khmer news reports, you become a bit 'blase'. We are not immune, but we get used to certain things that are shocking elsewhere; there are some things or attitudes on the forum that will upset outsiders and that's fair enough. But at the same time, we should be able to discuss difficult subjects like drugs or suicide in Cambodia without self-censoring.
But, how to do ?
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Re: Reporting news. Links, photos, what to show or not show?

Post by rozzieoz » Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:14 pm

bolueeleh wrote:there will not be any self moderation i assume (freedom of speech thingy), so the best solution is,
1 - all in 1 thread,
2 - disable comments,
3 - sticky it
4 - a private section only for members who are fair game status, to go all out (i am assuming that family members are newly joined so they most probably be under protection status)
I like this idea.
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Post by phuketrichard » Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:54 pm

very easy to make a single thread and google can not access it, all u need do is make a noindex/nofolow meta tag
people do it all the time

You can also have a separate url something like https://cambodiaexpatsonline.com/barangdeaths with a noindex/nofollow meta tag
that is NOT LINKED from anywhere on the site, anyone that wants to read about deaths could request the url from .....

that way NOBODY would ever accidental stumble upon it and it would not ever show up in any se

To me its all about traffic , but since this site does not generate income.... who the fuck cares about traffic??
UNLESS u are really only interested in the traffic a death thread generates>>>>>>


I for one, have very little interest in who died in Cambodia, If i knew them, i would know they died and if i dont' know them..... why do i care they died?

4 - a private section only for members who are fair game status, to go all out (i am assuming that family members are newly joined so they most probably be under protection status)
access only granted to posters known ( or by a certain number of posts , like admission to PA sections or the old GGC) this will keep the family out of it and also the lookie lookies.
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Post by General Mackevili » Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:16 pm

phuketrichard wrote:
I for one, have ZERO interest in who died in Cambodia, If i knew them, i would know they died and if i dont' know them..... why do i care they died?
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Let me get this straight, Richard, you have no interest about who died in Cambodia, but you've obviously taken the time to read some of the articles we've posted?
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I do find that the translations need ALOT of work
And here is a comment by you from only 2 days ago regarding someone who you presumably don't even know who died in Cambodia, discussing their cause of death with a relative:
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LTaylor wrote:This is my nephew. I have only just found out this morning and I am gutted to say the least. And it was not drugs he died from so please be respectful
i am sorry for your loss and not being disrespectful, but how do you know it was not?
24 years old? to young to die, unless he was suffering from some illness previously and if so why did he travel to Cambodia?
So for you to say you have no interest is a little bit odd to me, LoL.

Besides the controversial images, every news outlet on the planet reports on deaths. For whatever reasons, death is something of interest to people (duh).

And you say "if I knew them, I would know they died..."

Really? How exactly? Do you contact friends and family of everyone you know every day to confirm if they're dead or alive? People find out all the time of their friends death through media, or from other friends who found out through media. What you've said really makes no sense, imho.
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Post by phuketrichard » Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:22 pm

General Mackevili wrote:
phuketrichard wrote:
I for one, have ZERO interest in who died in Cambodia, If i knew them, i would know they died and if i dont' know them..... why do i care they died?
:facepalm:

Let me get this straight, Richard, you have no interest about who died in Cambodia, but you've obviously taken the time to read some of the articles we've posted?
phuketrichard wrote:
I do find that the translations need ALOT of work
And here is a comment by you from only 2 days ago regarding someone who you presumably don't even know who died in Cambodia, discussing their cause of death with a relative:
phuketrichard wrote:
LTaylor wrote:This is my nephew. I have only just found out this morning and I am gutted to say the least. And it was not drugs he died from so please be respectful
i am sorry for your loss and not being disrespectful, but how do you know it was not?
24 years old? to young to die, unless he was suffering from some illness previously and if so why did he travel to Cambodia?
So for you to say you have no interest is a little bit odd to me, LoL.

Besides the controversial images, every news outlet on the planet reports on deaths. For whatever reasons, death is something of interest to people (duh).

And you say "if I knew them, I would know they died..."

Really? How exactly? Do you contact friends and family of everyone you know every day to confirm if they're dead or alive? People find out all the time of their friends death through media, or from other friends who found out through media. What you've said really makes no sense, imho.

You wish to pick an dissect everything i say apart, fine, I am human and have an interest in death, as most people do, if it was on a hidden thread i would never request access to it. ok>
I would almost support a private comments /discussion sector - insiders only - but i don't see how it could be done
easy to do as i explained, i have hidden url's on most sites i work with that are not indexed/followed by se's or available to the general public, even my photo site has unique url's for clients
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Re: Reporting news. Links, photos, what to show or not show?

Post by Username Taken » Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:23 pm

I sort of like bolueeleh's idea a bit, but on reflection who wants a sticky called Obituaries?

We could have a single post on its own thread announcing the death of a tourist or expat. This could have a recent photo of the deceased so that friends and family will recognize him/her. It could be updated as necesary by CEONews. At the bottom of the post is a link to the Private section where members could discuss it further privately.

A single thread for each death, not a single thread to cover all deaths. In many cases, the news of deaths of loved ones come from forums quoting local news sources. Each death should have its own thread. Each thread then leads to a possible extended discussion in the Members area, as per GMs proposal.


Okay, so it's agreed then? I'll get started on that now.

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