Number of Visitors to Angkor Increase Again

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Re: Number of Visitors to Angkor Increase Again

Post by TheGrinchSR » Mon Mar 21, 2016 12:44 am

Try not to count stars - learn to read feedback; that should keep you busy. If you leaf through the Angkor temples' feedback - it's all "amazing, but beggars spoil the place" not "amazing and I was really fucking happy to see all those beggars" but nice try anyway.
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Post by walkjivefly » Mon Mar 21, 2016 11:19 am

ot mien kampf wrote:
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ot mien kampf wrote:
TheGrinchSR wrote:Or you know you could join the 21st Century and enable mobile ticketing (no need for waste at all), ticketing from outlets not at the park (just like Disneyland do - not sure why Angkor is being compared to Disneyland? Will there be an "apsara mouse" and a rollercoaster at Bayon - Face Mountain, perhaps?), online booking and printing your own tickets?

You might also consider managing the park with some of that money... you know like Disney does, providing shade, merchandising, first aid facilities, decent refreshment stands, freedom to walk for 2 minutes without being harassed by 100 children clutching postcards for "only $1", that sort of thing.

I agree Angkor is priced too low. If Cambodia wants it to be around in 100 years time or so... they should be hiking prices severely and reducing visitor numbers while promoting alternatives like Sambor Prei Kuk, Koh Ker, Banteay Chhmar, Preah Vihear, etc.
Fuck that. You don't need them park shit or it becomes a sick sideshow. It's meant to feel alive. That's what makes it interesting. The kids selling shit, the interaction with actual Khmer people doing relatively normal things, the fact the outer temples are set in farmlands and over streams where boys still catch fish, the refreshment stands being like old time produce stands.

If you want that bullshit, fuck off to a theme park.
No, that's what makes Angkor Wat tedious to most of its visitors. It's not what makes it interesting at all. Angkor Wat is the largest religious building in the world and the heart of a now dead empire - that's what makes it interesting. If Cambodia wants tourists; it's time it learned to cater to them - rather than trying to annoy as many as possible of them.

You can interact with Khmer, on your own terms, anywhere in the country. Interacting with endless beggars does not add colour, it diminishes what should be one of life's great experiences. If the government wants Disney money (and it should) - it needs to provide a five star experience to go along with it. Tickets to the park should come with well-educated multi-lingual guides who actually give a fuck about the history and culture. There should be rubbish bins (lots of them) to keep the site clean. There should be people around who can help when someone is injured rather than looking scared and hoping someone else will do something. And so on...

Cambodians don't want to live in poverty forever. Angkor is the number one possibility in the country of ensuring better paid, more highly skilled work and at the moment it fails to provide that.

No, that's what makes is a place worth visiting. Once you remove the Khmer from it, it just becomes some pretty rocks. The reason why it's visited is because its is in the center of a Khmer culture that is still alive. The current guides are all fine and most speak better English than people I've seen pass for English teachers here.

Monetizing the place will end up like Bokor, a landmak that has been utterly destroyed by the "5 star" experience of a casino and soon to be housing development. They even cleaned all the moss off the hill station to please the poor wittle tourists who might fall over. It's been completely gutted, leaving only the rocks.

Angkor is the perfect tourist destination and is the only historical site to actually exceed my expectations upon visiting. The pyramids sucked and they are just as you described; over regulated and dead. Your "5 star" experience is trying to remove the link between contemporary Cambodia and the Angkor site. Might as well have all the temples shipped to Monaco and put up in a casino if you want to treat it as though they're rocks from a dead culture that only exists to enrich people catering to entertain the cosmopolitan classes.
It's worth visiting because it's the biggest and best tourist attraction in the country.

What makes it attractive is a personal thing and varies from visitor to visitor. For me it's an amazing engineering feat and very photogenic. I don't care about the religious aspect or the cultural significance or that the locals may be living a lifestyle not that different than they would have lived in its heyday. I don't go to interact with the locals or be mobbed by begging children on the way in/out of every temple.

At​ $20 per day the "facilities" are about right and it is reasonable value for money. If the authorities want to increase their income, perhaps charging Disneyland admission rates (~$100 per day), then yes, they need to spend (a LOT) more money on the facilities at the site. Clean up the litter, provide bins, more toilets, better catering, remove all the beggars and provide free transportation between the temples would be a good start. I think it would be worth $40 a day with those changes.

There's actually nothing they could do to it to make it worth $100 per day in my opinion and I hope they never try to turn it into a Disneyland type of attraction.
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Re: Number of Visitors to Angkor Increase Again

Post by SinnSisamouth » Mon Mar 21, 2016 12:53 pm

im pretty sure he was not implying they will change it into disneyland

it was just a foolish example of where and who charge more money for attractions. maybe he should have quoted pyramids or stone henge
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Post by TheGrinchSR » Mon Mar 21, 2016 1:10 pm

SinnSisamouth wrote:im pretty sure he was not implying they will change it into disneyland

it was just a foolish example of where and who charge more money for attractions. maybe he should have quoted pyramids or stone henge
Honestly, people have no vision. If they did go full Disney; one of the perks is that Disney has its characters wandering the grounds. In Angkor's case that means hundreds of topless Apsara girls... don't tell me people wouldn't pay a premium for that? I know I would. In fact, I might never leave Angkor during daylight hours ever again...
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Post by SinnSisamouth » Mon Mar 21, 2016 1:18 pm

is "full disney" like going full retard?

whats that scottish joke about "no he disney" or something?
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Post by walkjivefly » Mon Mar 21, 2016 1:22 pm

TheGrinchSR wrote:
SinnSisamouth wrote:im pretty sure he was not implying they will change it into disneyland

it was just a foolish example of where and who charge more money for attractions. maybe he should have quoted pyramids or stone henge
Honestly, people have no vision. If they did go full Disney; one of the perks is that Disney has its characters wandering the grounds. In Angkor's case that means hundreds of topless Apsara girls... don't tell me people wouldn't pay a premium for that? I know I would. In fact, I might never leave Angkor during daylight hours ever again...
OK, $60 a day with the topless Apsaras :-)
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SinnSisamouth wrote:is "full disney" like going full retard?

whats that scottish joke about "no he disney" or something?
He disney ken.

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Re: Number of Visitors to Angkor Increase Again

Post by phuketrichard » Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:26 pm

i dont get it, why wouldn't arrivals to Angkor increase? Especially amongst the nearby Asians ( Japanese, Chinese and Koreans)
Its something unique to Cambodia and for sure a must see

Price is right but what i would like to see, and many others, is a discount for Barangs living in SR/

Question;
how many of ya know where the ONLY smiling Aspara dancer is located at Angkor Wat?
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Post by TheGrinchSR » Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:29 pm

phuketrichard wrote:i dont get it, why wouldn't arrivals to Angkor increase? Especially amongst the nearby Asians ( Japanese, Chinese and Koreans)
Its something unique to Cambodia and for sure a must see

Price is right but what i would like to see, and many others, is a discount for Barangs living in SR/

Question;
how many of ya know where the ONLY smiling Aspara dancer is located at Angkor Wat?
Arrivals may not increase. Angkor Wat is a seen it, done it kind of experience for most people. Repeat custom is usually vital in driving up visitor numbers overall. There's not much of that to be had for Cambodia in general.

The smiling apsara can be found by going through the right hand entrance of the three entrances and then when you come out into daylight, look backwards and she's there on the wall.
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Re: Number of Visitors to Angkor Increase Again

Post by phuketrichard » Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:48 pm

double :thumb: :thumb:


Agree i have spoken with many that have seen Angkor and were happy with the one time experience.
still there's a billion Chinese just waiting to enjoy the KTV's and buffets :-)
with out Angkor wat, little reason to visit Cambodia for most, except for backpackers that also visit Laos on their way to Vietnam
or the Chinese to gamble
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