How Much Does a Good Night Out Cost You
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Rutiger wrote:Oh, well. Apparently Jamie Lambo got there first anyway.Samouth wrote: Ok, just don't date with Rutiger then.
Hi Rutiger, glad to see things are hotting up between you and Violet on the other forum ,what do yo plan to spend on your first night?
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I do not post on any other forum. Not yet anyway.Parker wrote:Rutiger wrote:Oh, well. Apparently Jamie Lambo got there first anyway.Samouth wrote: Ok, just don't date with Rutiger then.
Hi Rutiger, glad to see things are hotting up between you and Violet on the other forum ,what do yo plan to spend on your first night?
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Jesus! you write even more old toss than me, and you have a public school education. Seems the only thing that did for you is give you a sense of being in control. Prices on things indeed.TheGrinchSR wrote:You'd find, if only you could, that there's no such things as "too much money" but there is often "too little". Though I am sure that deep down you know that already. It's not a land of ideals. The fucking prices are on the shelf. If you still can't read them - no wonder you get cheated. You came to a developing nation, to teach English (for less than $20 an hour so not in an international school) and the only one cheating you is yourself. You come from a country with an education system; you could have chosen to work hard and better your lot in life - instead you chose to doss about in Cambodia. Then all you do is complain about the avarice of the locals. The locals who work bloody hard for a couple of bucks a day very often. Stop whining all the time. Either improve your lot or accept it.juansweetpotato wrote:Oh well. I thought I'd posted something quite relevant and was hoping for an answer from Samouth. You got in there first. I guess all I can say is you have your opinion (bizarre BTW) and I have mine.TheGrinchSR wrote: Prices are fixed at most markets in Cambodia - Khmer numerals on everything. No need to argue. Point at the price and pay it. Never known a Khmer not to haggle and haggling in Cambodia is incredibly easy. You just state what you will pay over and over again until they take it.
Lucky, etc. have to deal with import taxes, bribes at customs, etc. they're actually pretty good value. A lot of imported stuff is cheaper in Cambodia than it was in the Gulf, Vietnam, Thailand, China, etc.
I appreciate you don't have a huge budget but your endless whining about being cheated starts to grate after awhile. Similarly in Vietnam (outside of tourist traps) not only did people never cheat (nor did they cheat my wife) but would often come running down the street to give me money back if I paid too much by mistake. I didn't find the Vietnamese to be remotely greedy - I found them to be scrupulously honest. Khmer's try their luck but rarely, if ever, stick to it (apart from the central market in Siem Reap where being foreign is definitely a crime) if you politely challenge with a smile on your face. Here in Thailand the same is pretty much true too.
Electricity is daylight robbery via a landlord in Cambodia but you don't have to rent a property where you pay the landlord for electric - you can rent one where you pay EDC. And so on...
Although, overall I'd say you live in a land of ideals of your own creation backed up by too much money, so the illusion need never be shattered.
Your post reminds me of Norman Tebbit with his 'on your bike' and 'There is no such thing as exploitation of workers. If they don't like their job, they can leave it.'
I find it hilarious that you think that my first visit to the tropics was to teach English in Cambodia. Anyhow, you just want to attack for some reason of your own so..
Have you thought about joining the other forum? It's full of like minded people that you can share your point of view with . I hear this month they're giving away free t-shirts to new members as a promotion.
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Do you feel people are helpless sheep in their own lives and never had any power or responsibility to put themselves in a position to improve their situations or control their own destiny? There definitely is exploitation of workers and especially poorly educated laborers. But to say those laborers bear no responsibility for the employment situation they find themselves in now is dubious. Did they take full advantage of all educational opportunities available to them or did they squander those opportunities? Did they make responsible personal life choices and necessary sacrifices to improve their employability and career skills or was it all "live for today"?juansweetpotato wrote: Your post reminds me of Norman Tebbit with his 'on your bike' and 'There is no such thing as exploitation of workers. If they don't like their job, they can leave it.'
I come from a long line of educational under-achievers, to put it kindly. I almost went down that same road but somehow managed to get my head out of my ass long enough to get a higher education. I funded my education myself with very poorly paid, crappy jobs for years and years. When my friends were spending their time hanging out drinking beer and spending their money on cool cars to impress girls (some of whom they impregnated at age 18-20), I was working extra shifts and socking away tuition money. It wan't fun. I made difficult sacrifices. It paid off for me and continues to do so. So when I hear that others are completely powerless do the same, I tend to disagree. There are, of course, exceptions for some unfortunate people who drew the short straw in this life for one reason or another and did the best they could, but many others had similar opportunities as I did but made poor life decisions that continue to haunt them now and leave them an uncertain future.
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That all seems very Great Rock and Roll Swindle to me. All very well making up a story for everyone as you see it.Rutiger wrote:Do you feel people are helpless sheep in their own lives and never had any power or responsibility to put themselves in a position to improve their situations or control their own destiny? There definitely is exploitation of workers and especially poorly edcuated laborers. But to say those laborers bear no responsibility for the employment situation they find themselves in now is dubious. Did they take full advantage of all educational opportunities available to them or did they squanader those opportunities? Did they make responsible personal life choices and necessary sacrifices to improve their employability and career skills or was it all "live for today".juansweetpotato wrote: Your post reminds me of Norman Tebbit with his 'on your bike' and 'There is no such thing as exploitation of workers. If they don't like their job, they can leave it.'
I come from a long line of educational under-achievers, to put it kindly. I almost went down that same road but somehow managed to get my head out of my ass long enough to get a higher education. I funded my education myself with very poorly paid, crappy jobs for years and years. When my friends were spending their time hanging out drinking beer and spending their money on cool cars to impress girls (some of whom they impregnated at age 18-20), I was working extra shifts and socking away tuition money. It wan't fun. I made difficult sacrifices. It paid off for me and continues to do so. So when I hear that others are completely powerless do the same, I tend to disagree. There are, of course, exceptions for some unfortunate people who drew the short straw in this life for one reason or another and did the best they could, but many others had similar opportunities as I did but made poor life decisions that continue to haunt them now and leave them an uncertain future.
Life is not so simple, you should know that. As for myself I've spent over 10 years in tertiary/higher education. 4 years full time. Did that want to make me fit in with the crowd? No. I was born with the nature I have and that means I have a bit of an aversion to money. Also to those people that like to accumulate large amounts of it for no reason other than to go BIG RASPBERRY to everyone else. It's only natural you say? Well it's in my nature to kick nature square in the balls. I guess you have a better nature than me. Well done.
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Right. Anyone who has a personal story that doesn't meet your pre-conceived notions of how the big bad world works is obviously making it up. Don't let me ruin your clueless narrative.juansweetpotato wrote: That all seems very Great Rock and Roll Swindle to me. All very well making up a story for everyone as you see it.
Life is not so simple, you should know that. As for myself I've spent over 10 years in tertiary/higher education. 4 years full time. Did that want to make me fit in with the crowd? No. I was born with the nature I have and that means I have a bit of an aversion to money. Also to those people that like to accumulate large amounts of it for no reason other than to go BIG RASPBERRY to everyone else. It's only natural you say? Well it's in my nature to kick nature square in the balls. I guess you have a better nature than me. Well done.
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Yes, workers are exploited. Yes, people in poorer nations in particular are exploited. You're not exploited though - you're just fucking lazy. Instead of taking responsibility you want to hand it to anyone else in sight. It's not that you're a fuck up for being in a piss poor nation and earning sod all, no, it's the fault of those awful Khmer ing on every street corner taking advantage of you. You're like a six year old blaming everyone but themselves for putting their fingers in a plug socket.juansweetpotato wrote:Jesus! you write even more old toss than me, and you have a public school education. Seems the only thing that did for you is give you a sense of being in control. Prices on things indeed.TheGrinchSR wrote:You'd find, if only you could, that there's no such things as "too much money" but there is often "too little". Though I am sure that deep down you know that already. It's not a land of ideals. The fucking prices are on the shelf. If you still can't read them - no wonder you get cheated. You came to a developing nation, to teach English (for less than $20 an hour so not in an international school) and the only one cheating you is yourself. You come from a country with an education system; you could have chosen to work hard and better your lot in life - instead you chose to doss about in Cambodia. Then all you do is complain about the avarice of the locals. The locals who work bloody hard for a couple of bucks a day very often. Stop whining all the time. Either improve your lot or accept it.juansweetpotato wrote:Oh well. I thought I'd posted something quite relevant and was hoping for an answer from Samouth. You got in there first. I guess all I can say is you have your opinion (bizarre BTW) and I have mine.TheGrinchSR wrote: Prices are fixed at most markets in Cambodia - Khmer numerals on everything. No need to argue. Point at the price and pay it. Never known a Khmer not to haggle and haggling in Cambodia is incredibly easy. You just state what you will pay over and over again until they take it.
Lucky, etc. have to deal with import taxes, bribes at customs, etc. they're actually pretty good value. A lot of imported stuff is cheaper in Cambodia than it was in the Gulf, Vietnam, Thailand, China, etc.
I appreciate you don't have a huge budget but your endless whining about being cheated starts to grate after awhile. Similarly in Vietnam (outside of tourist traps) not only did people never cheat (nor did they cheat my wife) but would often come running down the street to give me money back if I paid too much by mistake. I didn't find the Vietnamese to be remotely greedy - I found them to be scrupulously honest. Khmer's try their luck but rarely, if ever, stick to it (apart from the central market in Siem Reap where being foreign is definitely a crime) if you politely challenge with a smile on your face. Here in Thailand the same is pretty much true too.
Electricity is daylight robbery via a landlord in Cambodia but you don't have to rent a property where you pay the landlord for electric - you can rent one where you pay EDC. And so on...
Although, overall I'd say you live in a land of ideals of your own creation backed up by too much money, so the illusion need never be shattered.
Your post reminds me of Norman Tebbit with his 'on your bike' and 'There is no such thing as exploitation of workers. If they don't like their job, they can leave it.'
I find it hilarious that you think that my first visit to the tropics was to teach English in Cambodia. Anyhow, you just want to attack for some reason of your own so..
Have you thought about joining the other forum? It's full of like minded people that you can share your point of view with . I hear this month they're giving away free t-shirts to new members as a promotion.
If you managed to save enough for the flight to Cambodia; you could manage to save enough for an education. The fact you chose to be a lazy slob rather than to make something of your life is your choice. No-one will take it away from you but expecting to be congratulated for that? Get the fuck off the bus sunshine.
My folks started with nothing. My mum's an immigrant. My old man grew up on a council estate with a handicapped parent. They made something of themselves. It wasn't "luck", it's only "luck" when you're lazy and want what other people have, it was "hard work". The tiny fraction of the 1% who live on inherited money... that's "luck". For everyone else in the Western world - hard work will go a long way, it won't guarantee millions or billions but it will guarantee a decent standard of life.
I may have "too much money" in your sad eyes but here's the thing - no-one gave it to me. I built my own business with my own resources and efforts. I started with $0 living in a tiny flat in China. Want what I have? Get off your backside and earn it. Don't want what I have? No problem but shut the fuck up about how hard life is to you. And particularly shut the fuck up about 2,000 Riel on a pineapple. You have what billions cannot get - a good passport, free education and opportunity - if you can't make something of those things, more fool you. It has nothing to do with corporate tyranny and everything to do with you.
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Somehow I'm reminded of Ice Cube. I heard you had dinner with the president Rutiger?
I'll never have dinner with the president,
I'll never have dinner with the president,
I'll never have dinner with the president,
And if I see you again, I'll be hesitant.
I'll never have dinner with the president,
I'll never have dinner with the president,
I'll never have dinner with the president,
And if I see you again, I'll be hesitant.
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For once we find ourselves in complete agreement. The victim complex has spun way out of control here. Good for you for making things work for you. Beers on me if we ever run into each other.Rutiger wrote:Do you feel people are helpless sheep in their own lives and never had any power or responsibility to put themselves in a position to improve their situations or control their own destiny? There definitely is exploitation of workers and especially poorly educated laborers. But to say those laborers bear no responsibility for the employment situation they find themselves in now is dubious. Did they take full advantage of all educational opportunities available to them or did they squander those opportunities? Did they make responsible personal life choices and necessary sacrifices to improve their employability and career skills or was it all "live for today"?juansweetpotato wrote: Your post reminds me of Norman Tebbit with his 'on your bike' and 'There is no such thing as exploitation of workers. If they don't like their job, they can leave it.'
I come from a long line of educational under-achievers, to put it kindly. I almost went down that same road but somehow managed to get my head out of my ass long enough to get a higher education. I funded my education myself with very poorly paid, crappy jobs for years and years. When my friends were spending their time hanging out drinking beer and spending their money on cool cars to impress girls (some of whom they impregnated at age 18-20), I was working extra shifts and socking away tuition money. It wan't fun. I made difficult sacrifices. It paid off for me and continues to do so. So when I hear that others are completely powerless do the same, I tend to disagree. There are, of course, exceptions for some unfortunate people who drew the short straw in this life for one reason or another and did the best they could, but many others had similar opportunities as I did but made poor life decisions that continue to haunt them now and leave them an uncertain future.
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Nah, wasn't saying I didn't like your personal story, or didn't believe it. I just don't agree with it is all. I've read too much cog sci to think in those old terms about these things.Rutiger wrote:Right. Anyone who has a personal story that doesn't meet your pre-conceived notions of how the big bad world works is obviously making it up. Don't let me ruin your clueless narrative.juansweetpotato wrote: That all seems very Great Rock and Roll Swindle to me. All very well making up a story for everyone as you see it.
Life is not so simple, you should know that. As for myself I've spent over 10 years in tertiary/higher education. 4 years full time. Did that want to make me fit in with the crowd? No. I was born with the nature I have and that means I have a bit of an aversion to money. Also to those people that like to accumulate large amounts of it for no reason other than to go BIG RASPBERRY to everyone else. It's only natural you say? Well it's in my nature to kick nature square in the balls. I guess you have a better nature than me. Well done.
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