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Re: Let's Get Serious- Political Questions

Post by Samouth » Mon Dec 14, 2015 11:12 am

kiwiincambodia wrote:
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kiwiincambodia wrote:Great thread which I fully intend to contribute / respond to when I sober up.
Ok take a good nap. i am waiting to read your decent contributions to this thread.
It's going to take more than a nap Kon Khmer.
you sneaky. Ok it has been a day now and i hope you are sober up now and what is your take on this?
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Re: Let's Get Serious- Political Questions

Post by takeoman » Mon Dec 14, 2015 11:59 am

Samouth wrote:
takeoman wrote:
Samouth wrote:
kiwiincambodia wrote:Great thread which I fully intend to contribute / respond to when I sober up.
Ok take a good nap. i am waiting to read your decent contributions to this thread.

And we are awaiting yours Samouth. Do you'll really believe that a man who can talk the talk, but when it comes to walking the walk invariably runs away is Prime Ministerial material? Should the CNRP go with Kem Sokha instead? When will the CNRP realise that boycotting the National Assembly merely means their voice isn't heard?
These and many other questions need to be considered and answered, by Khmers even more than ex pats. :hattip:
For my political view, i don't really like any Cambodian politicians, however, i just want to give him a chance. i can't guarantee whether he will be a good prime minister as he had never been a prime minister and really got the chance to lead the country. Me and like of most other Cambodians are sick with the power is solely on one person hands. We really want to have a change in our country. We want to have justice in our law system and more. I think it is good for him to have not been jailed in Cambodia prison. I would rather him to be on run for any crimes that he was accused of while what he did just for the sake of the country. I agree with you that boycotting is not a good move as the ruling party can always do anything without the presence from the opposition lawmakers. Hopefully with the involvement of foreigner countries and institutions we will have a fair election.
Much the reply I expected, but it fails to address the facts. Sam Rainsy talks a good game but much of it doesn't stand scrutiny. He promises just about everyone bigger salaries, and when pressed on where the money is to come from airily says from stopping corruption, as if all one has to do is wave ones hand and bingo no more corruption. Unfortunately corruption is deep rooted and will take years, possibly decades to tackle. Soon ASEAN integration will be underway, leaving little room for blaming every ill on the "yuon".You say you don't like all the power in one persons hands, I think you'll find Sam Rainsy would like all the power in his hands, and has no intention of sharing it. The bottom line is change for changes sake, based on a blind leap of faith ie "anything must be better than this", rarely works out well. I note you failed to answer the Kem Soka question. isn't he a better choice,rather than a throwback to pre 1970. What about a younger man or woman, one more in touch with the youth. Like me Sam Rainsy is an old age pensioner,a product of the last century. We old boys tend to be set in our ways and cling to outmoded ideas. :hattip:
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Re: Let's Get Serious- Political Questions

Post by kiwiincambodia » Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:00 pm

Samouth wrote:
kiwiincambodia wrote:
Samouth wrote:
kiwiincambodia wrote:Great thread which I fully intend to contribute / respond to when I sober up.
Ok take a good nap. i am waiting to read your decent contributions to this thread.
It's going to take more than a nap Kon Khmer.
you sneaky. Ok it has been a day now and i hope you are sober up now and what is your take on this?
The fact you think I'm sober after 1 day shows how little you know me.
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Re: Let's Get Serious- Political Questions

Post by Duncan » Mon Dec 14, 2015 1:48 pm

Samouth wrote:
takeoman wrote:
Samouth wrote:
kiwiincambodia wrote:Great thread which I fully intend to contribute / respond to when I sober up.
Ok take a good nap. i am waiting to read your decent contributions to this thread.

And we are awaiting yours Samouth. Do you'll really believe that a man who can talk the talk, but when it comes to walking the walk invariably runs away is Prime Ministerial material? Should the CNRP go with Kem Sokha instead? When will the CNRP realise that boycotting the National Assembly merely means their voice isn't heard?
These and many other questions need to be considered and answered, by Khmers even more than ex pats. :hattip:
For my political view, i don't really like any Cambodian politicians, however,

i just want to give him a chance. i can't guarantee whether he will be a good prime minister as he had never been a prime minister and really got the chance to lead the country.


Me and like of most other Cambodians are sick with the power is solely on one person hands. We really want to have a change in our country. We want to have justice in our law system and more. I think it is good for him to have not been jailed in Cambodia prison. I would rather him to be on run for any crimes that he was accused of while what he did just for the sake of the country. I agree with you that boycotting is not a good move as the ruling party can always do anything without the presence from the opposition lawmakers. Hopefully with the involvement of foreigner countries and institutions we will have a fair election.

S R may not have had any experience at being a prime minister, and he also has no experience with weapons, but he does have something which is very important for Cambodia and that is in finance.
Corruption will be hard to eliminate cause it is built into the system,, instead of taxation which should be built into the system. [ remember Al Capone ] If there was a effective and accountable tax system in Cambodia, run by educated and trained people, who hadn't bought their positions in government, it would go a long way to reducing corruption . A GST[ tax ] system, as is paid in some countries [ OZ, NZ ] is traceable up and down the line of payments and this helps stop corruption.
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Re: Let's Get Serious- Political Questions

Post by Tadpole » Mon Dec 14, 2015 1:59 pm

Duncan wrote:S R may not have had any experience at being a prime minister, and he also has no experience with weapons, but he does have something which is very important for Cambodia and that is in finance.
Corruption will be hard to eliminate cause it is built into the system,, instead of taxation which should be built into the system. [ remember Al Capone ] If there was a effective and accountable tax system in Cambodia, run by educated and trained people, who hadn't bought their positions in government, it would go a long way to reducing corruption . A GST[ tax ] system, as is paid in some countries [ OZ, NZ ] is traceable up and down the line of payments and this helps stop corruption.
I think you are assuming that these potentially-cleaner facets will be backed by a will to use them to clean the system rather than to maximize profits and ignore the squeals of the oppressed as they get drained of every drop.

Without a will to run a clean system, these tools could well be used to allow an even more corrupt system. The cash might be traceable, but a dead GST inspector is not very productive.
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Re: Let's Get Serious- Political Questions

Post by takeoman » Mon Dec 14, 2015 2:12 pm

@Duncan. I believe SR's experience in the financial field is some twenty years out of date, and I have seen it claimed when he was finance minister his ministry was as corrupt as all the others. Too much of SR, when looked at closely, turns out to be smoke and mirrors for one to have much faith in him or his promises.With him once again on an extended vocation the opposition have a chance to consider other options. :hattip:
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Re: Let's Get Serious- Political Questions

Post by phuketrichard » Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:08 pm

how does one stop corruption UNLESS one raises tax's ( or makes everyone pay them which many seem not to)
only when one makes a decent liveable salary can corruption stand a chance of ending
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Re: Let's Get Serious- Political Questions

Post by takeoman » Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:21 pm

phuketrichard wrote:how does one stop corruption UNLESS one raises tax's ( or makes everyone pay them which many seem not to)
only when one makes a decent liveable salary can corruption stand a chance of ending
But what will be considered an acceptable, rather than liveable salary. I actually discussed this,many years ago, with an Indian official during an attempt to curb corruption.He basically said his new, improved wage, would give him the same lifestyle as the old one plus gifts(his word not mine), but he would still be accepting gifts, as combined with his new salary they would provide him with a much improved lifestyle. :hattip:
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Re: Let's Get Serious- Political Questions

Post by juansweetpotato » Mon Dec 14, 2015 9:20 pm

Samouth wrote:
takeoman wrote:
Samouth wrote:
kiwiincambodia wrote:Great thread which I fully intend to contribute / respond to when I sober up.
Ok take a good nap. i am waiting to read your decent contributions to this thread.

And we are awaiting yours Samouth. Do you'll really believe that a man who can talk the talk, but when it comes to walking the walk invariably runs away is Prime Ministerial material? Should the CNRP go with Kem Sokha instead? When will the CNRP realise that boycotting the National Assembly merely means their voice isn't heard?
These and many other questions need to be considered and answered, by Khmers even more than ex pats. :hattip:
For my political view, i don't really like any Cambodian politicians, however, i just want to give him a chance. i can't guarantee whether he will be a good prime minister as he had never been a prime minister and really got the chance to lead the country. Me and like of most other Cambodians are sick with the power is solely on one person hands. We really want to have a change in our country. We want to have justice in our law system and more. I think it is good for him to have not been jailed in Cambodia prison. I would rather him to be on run for any crimes that he was accused of while what he did just for the sake of the country. I agree with you that boycotting is not a good move as the ruling party can always do anything without the presence from the opposition lawmakers. Hopefully with the involvement of foreigner countries and institutions we will have a fair election.
Wow, thanks for that Samouth.
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Re: Let's Get Serious- Political Questions

Post by Username Taken » Mon Dec 14, 2015 9:29 pm

^^ Sadly, it's change for the sake of change.

Let's see some real policies (a roadmap for the future), rather than 'get rid of the Yuon and all will be good'.
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