the thing is we have a very long history of existence before the existence of guns, America has only known an existence with guns, i guess thats why they find it hard to imagine a life without them...

Jamie_Lambo wrote:the thing is we have a very long history of existence before the existence of guns, America has only known an existence with guns, i guess thats why they find it hard to imagine a life without them...

Umm... no. Guns aren't as long-time outlawed in the UK as you might think. Farmers can (and do) get a shotgun license - heck, it used to be easy for anyone to have one and my dad did and he wasn't a farmer. We had gun clubs and shooting ranges until Dunblaine (our one and only shoot up in a school). We stopped guns when we realized the mayhem they caused. We held a mass public amnesty on firearms to have them turned in and we made it a serious fucking offence to carry a shooter (which means that those available on the black market fetch top dollar and come with very, very little ammo - again because possessing ammo is a serious offence too). Result? We haven't had a nutcase go mad with a gun for a good period of time.

This is compared to the best part of 20,000 suicides by gun annually in the US. 10,000 murders by gun annually in the US. And 1,000 executions by police in the US a year. The case for gun ownership making people safer is pathetic. That's 31,000 deaths a year from gun ownership. Check out the difference with Europe where less than 100 people a year die from guns in a normal year and even with a nutcase scenario of terrorists it peaks at about 250.

There is another incident unfolding in Paris now associated with police raids on terror suspects.
At least one suspect has blown themselves up with a suicide vest.
Multiple locations, fatal shootings and arrests are being reported.
It is being reported that they have tracked down the suspects by their phones which had some encryption apps that were instrumental in identifying them.

A woman apparently blew herself up with an explosives vest and one man was shot by a sniper, during a police raid early this morning (Paris time) looking for suspects connected with the Friday bombings. Gunfire exchanged but no civilian casualties according to latest reports. There have also been several arrests and the raid is now over.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2 ... hreat-live

TheGrinchSR wrote:

Jamie_Lambo wrote:the thing is we have a very long history of existence before the existence of guns, America has only known an existence with guns, i guess thats why they find it hard to imagine a life without them...

Umm... no. Guns aren't as long-time outlawed in the UK as you might think. Farmers can (and do) get a shotgun license - heck, it used to be easy for anyone to have one and my dad did and he wasn't a farmer. We had gun clubs and shooting ranges until Dunblaine (our one and only shoot up in a school). We stopped guns when we realized the mayhem they caused. We held a mass public amnesty on firearms to have them turned in and we made it a serious fucking offence to carry a shooter (which means that those available on the black market fetch top dollar and come with very, very little ammo - again because possessing ammo is a serious offence too). Result? We haven't had a nutcase go mad with a gun for a good period of time.

This is compared to the best part of 20,000 suicides by gun annually in the US. 10,000 murders by gun annually in the US. And 1,000 executions by police in the US a year. The case for gun ownership making people safer is pathetic. That's 31,000 deaths a year from gun ownership. Check out the difference with Europe where less than 100 people a year die from guns in a normal year and even with a nutcase scenario of terrorists it peaks at about 250.

i think you misread what i put, i said we had a long history before the existence of guns, what i mean by that is guns arent a big part of our history and culture like they are in the US where their independence was fought and won with gun power..

Jamie, guns are a bigger part of British history than of any nation in the world's history. Our civil war (Cromwell) was fought with guns. Our domination of the world was thanks to the canon on our naval vessels (which also happily led to the destruction of the Spanish Armada - they had more ships but they couldn't get close enough to British ships without being sunk - we had the range). It's how we conquered India with fewer than 1,500 men. How we beat China (twice) in the Opium wars. And how we won (with a little help from our friends) two world wars. Brits and guns are inextricably intertwined - we have one of the world's largest defense industries and we sell guns, bombs, etc. to all corners of the world. Until the later half of the 20th century - no nation in history has used guns more often than we have.

It sounds like the 3rd world war will be a religious war.

What does the World War mean? Why ISIS can attract people to join? Why the world seem to be scared of ISIS?

TheGrinchSR wrote:Jamie, guns are a bigger part of British history than of any nation in the world's history. Our civil war (Cromwell) was fought with guns. Our domination of the world was thanks to the canon on our naval vessels (which also happily led to the destruction of the Spanish Armada - they had more ships but they couldn't get close enough to British ships without being sunk - we had the range). It's how we conquered India with fewer than 1,500 men. How we beat China (twice) in the Opium wars. And how we won (with a little help from our friends) two world wars. Brits and guns are inextricably intertwined - we have one of the world's largest defense industries and we sell guns, bombs, etc. to all corners of the world. Until the later half of the 20th century - no nation in history has used guns more often than we have.

yeah but Britain wasnt built with guns was it, you are not getting the point, what you are talking about is the past 400years since the 17th century? guns didnt shape Britain it just help expand the commonwealth, thats my point, Britain has a very long history before the use of Guns or even Siege weapons such as cannons... thats my point, guns have been a part of american history from the start

theres quite a lot of the British history of gun warfare that isnt taught in schools at highschool level, such as the massacres in Africa or India because that is primarily what they were, massacres, if what we did in those countries happened now we would be called terrorists, tbh its not much different than whats been going on in the middle east the past 20+ years, cant see much of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq being taught to students in the next generation, selective education