But I'M the one talking crap...

LOL, he probably believes America is a true democracy.

Obviously there are very few scholars of world wars on this forum. I collect military arms, memorabilia and books. If you want to believe that the English Empire could have stood alone against the Nazi's and Japs, well I wish you well in your dreams.

BTW/ I served my country (did you?) My father flew in WWII and before America came in the war was training in Canada to fly Spitfires in England. My great-great grandfather also fought in the American Civil War and was shot in the leg at the Battle of Shiloh. My family has served my country in war and peace. Have either of you military experts that have just posted served your country in the military?

Sailorman wrote:Obviously there are very few scholars of world wars on this forum. I collect military arms, memorabilia and books. If you want to believe that the English Empire could have stood alone against the Nazi's and Japs, well I wish you well in your dreams.

no one said the English could have stood alone against the Nazi and the Japs, but on that note, neither could America stand alone against the Nazi and the Japs
I said it was a joint team effort...

Sailorman wrote: BTW/ I served my country (did you?) My father flew in WWII and before America came in the war was training in Canada to fly Spitfires in England. My great-great grandfather also fought in the American Civil War and was shot in the leg at the Battle of Shiloh. My family has served my country in war and peace. Have either of you military experts that have just posted served your country in the military?

I've had military training but never served, i dont agree with the propaganda war in the middle east thats going on right now,
id serve if i needed to serve, if we was in a real war, but not because we have a spineless prime minister who tags along with whatever trigger happy dipshit that is commanding the white house wants to do

tell me again how America saved the day by "entering" the war.....
you got bullied into the war that we had already been fighting and dying for for years, winning battles and losing them, all america did by being forced into "joining" in the fighting becauseGermany(having the Japaneses back) declared war with you, it only strengthened our position by adding more troops and military power, other than the heroic job you did in Japan by dropping 2 big powerful bombs, what battles did America solely fight alone in during World War 2? what were your "Battle Of Britains"?

but what about mass shootings in schools?

Jamie: You have got to read. America was in the war long before FDR declared war. In my line of work(merchant mariner) Americans were dying on ships sunk by Uboats before the US entered the war because England didn't have enough escort ships to fight off the Uboats. American ships were escorting convoys (read about the Rubin James DD-245) part of the "Neutrality Patrol" guarding ships taking food/ammo/supplies to keep England from starving. Churchill had to mortgage British territory to the US to get old WW1 4-stack destroyers and arms that the Brits lost in France and the Germans picked up after the Brits ran home.

FDR and the US government cut off scrap iron and oil to Japan. (big mistake) If they had not, the US wouldn't have entered the war until later, if at all. Lets face it, the war was in Europe a world away from America. Before America entered the war it was cranking up to supple the war and US companies were making money hand over fist. As I said before and has been written by people smarter than me, England had neither the manpower or resources to stand up to the Germans by itself. There was probable cheering in Whitehall when the Japs attacked Pearl Harbor. After the sinking of the Prince of Wales, England really had no navy east of Africa all the way to America. (Some OZ ships, but not many.)

England falling to the Germans would have been a bitter pill to FDR, but he would have signed a non-aggression treaty with the Nazi's in a heartbeat if it kept us from being in a full blown war. BTW/ Once the "Arsenal if Freedom" got cranked up, the Japos and Nazi's didn't stand a chance, and the US didn't really need what little help England could supple other tan a staging area.. Just look at the sea and ships when America invaded Okinawa (see any British or commonwealth Aircraft carriers, battleships, subs, airplanes etc?) Count the US ships (and ships/airplanes made in the US) on D-Day and the British ships (Brit built airplanes also) and see what number you come up with. Count the ships and airplanes of the US and made in the US during the invasion of Italy.

Except for Goring, Hitler had some brilliant generals. If he had let them run the war and left Russia till later, things would have been a lot different. BTW/ Yes, the Brits bombed Germany, but it took the Americans to bomb during the day, something the Brit air force couldn't/wouldn't do. B-17s and B-24s with American crews brought Germany to its knees.(1000 plane daylight bombing raids. Where were the Brit 1000 plane night-time raids?) England didn't even have a long range escort fighter until America shipped over P-51 Mustangs, or a good ground attack airplane until America shipped over P-47 Thunderbolts. BTW/ The Spitfire was outclassed by the BF-109 as it couldn't go inverted very long in a dog fight due to having a carb where the 109 was fuel injected. One of the things that saved the Brits was the 109 couldn't stay over England very long due to limited fuel capacity. Also the later FW-190s really outclassed the Spit. The Spit was a good airplane for 1939/40, but later planes flew rings around it.

Do you actually have all this information stored in your head Sailorboy, I just get this vision that anytime somebody posts on the forum anything that you disagree with you hunker down in your bunker with your tinfoil hat on and Google for hours untill you find something that fits your argument.

Of course we should all be grateful for everything the US of A has done for the World and Mankind, think about it nothing happened in the World before 1795 ad

Ignorance is bliss, your honour.

I rest my case.

so you agree, America didnt want to get into a fight with Germany but were forced into it because Germany declared war with you.... England declared war with Germany, least we had some balls about us lol

Mr. Cynical: Unlike you some of us actually read and retain knowledge. As stated my hobby is military weapons (I have around 60), tens of thousands of rounds of ammo (money in the bank so to speak), equipment, books and history. Most of what I state I have in my head, I don't have to look for facts as I know them. If you like it or not, history and facts are out there.

Jamie: Franklin D. Roosevelt was a liberal and a Democrat. He didn't want to get involved in a world war. Other American's (like my father) went to other countries and enlisted to fight/fly. (same thing happened in WWI with Pres. Wilson. Look up Lafayette Escadrille) FDR may have been a liberal, but he could see the handwriting on the wall and thus America industry was cranking up for war (can you say profit) before we got into it. (This btw/ gave US industry time to switch to making weapons instead of plows and making big profits. ) Cutting off the iron and oil to Japan was just stupid and pissed them off. All the Japo's were doing was kicking the Commonwealth and China's ass and as a favor to Churchill and Chiang Kai-Shek, FDR and the US government cut off supplies to a nation (Japan) that was at war. Not smart. Due to the liberals cutting off the military in the 1930's the American military was not ready for war, but it didn't take long to put together a massive military machine. Unlike England, America had the men, industry, and raw material to fight a long two ocean war. (we also had an armed civilian population that already knew how to shoot guns and that some high ups in Japan were afraid of for good reason.) England put up a valiant fight, but standing along, it had no chance. As I said, FDR like all liberals went the way the wind blew. If Germany had invaded England and the Japs let America alone, he would have had no problem signing a non-aggression treaty with Hitler.

Did you know that before America joined the war there were Nazi clubs (Bunds) in America? Over 10,000 members.