Yobbo wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 4:07 pm

hanno wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:02 pm

Yobbo wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 2:27 pm Procedure calls for dropping the anchor, that's what may of steered into the bridge.

Unlikely that the anchor would have stopped a ship that size, that is not how anchors work. Also, looks like they ran out of time.

Stick to being a food critic!
"The 948-foot (288.95 m) vessel had experienced a momentary loss of propulsion and dropped anchors as part of emergency procedures before impact, its management company, Synergy Marine Pte Ltd reported, according to the Singapore Port Authority".

You can drop an anchor Yobbo but the chain is just going to continue to run out unless the chain brake is applied. A loss of ships power means it is possible that the anchor could not be stopped, no power means no chain brake (this is not a 10' tinny anchor we're talking about that you throw overboard at your favourite fishing spot. Even in a tinny it still takes time for an anchor to fasten onto the seabed and you are still going to be in motion even without power), released yes as that can be done by knocking the holding wedge out of the links in an emergency but power is required to stop the chain from unfurling too far. Too much chain does not stop any boat and with the forward momentum of a ship this size underway and fully laden even at port speed it is not going to come to a stop instantly.

Kahuna wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 5:24 pm

Yobbo wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 4:07 pm

hanno wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:02 pm

Yobbo wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 2:27 pm Procedure calls for dropping the anchor, that's what may of steered into the bridge.

Unlikely that the anchor would have stopped a ship that size, that is not how anchors work. Also, looks like they ran out of time.

Stick to being a food critic!
"The 948-foot (288.95 m) vessel had experienced a momentary loss of propulsion and dropped anchors as part of emergency procedures before impact, its management company, Synergy Marine Pte Ltd reported, according to the Singapore Port Authority".

You can drop an anchor Yobbo but the chain is just going to continue to run out unless the chain brake is applied.

Two of the dead have been identified:

1. Maynor Yassir Suazo, 37
2. Miguel Luna, 49

Both were householders supporting their families.

https://nypost.com/2024/03/27/us-news/b ... l-america/

3. Dorlian Cabrera
4. Alejandro Hernandez Fuentes

https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/news/ ... unted-for/

phuketrichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 7:19 am DAM 760 TONS of hazardous materials!!!
i imagine this will be a Very extensive investigation.

760 tons (56 containers) of hazardous materials, not unreasonable for a ship that size. Anyway, that's the hazardous material that is properly declared, packed, and stowed accordingly. The real worry is always the hazardous material that is undeclared, either deliberately or otherwise.

Doc67 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 9:50 am Why did Biden promise full federal funding to replace the bridge?

“It's my intention that the federal government will pay for the entire cost of reconstructing that bridge and I expect the Congress to support my effort," Biden said, speaking from the White House ahead of a trip to North Carolina.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden- ... 024-03-26/

Huge ships have huge insurance policies because when things go wrong, they can go wrong in a very big way. Think Exxon Valdez, Concordia etc.

So why is Biden promising 100% federal funding when the insurers must be liable for this cost. If this is a political stunt, it's a bit thin because the insurance liabilities are already being discussed in the media.**

Is it possible that he is so badly advised, or so mentally detached from reality, that he made up this pledge on the hoof without a thought for the obvious plethora of insurance policies that will be in place for just such disasters?

The marine insurance and reinsurance markets are likely to foot most of the bills, S&P Global reported on Tuesday.
The Baltimore bridge itself is insured by insurance giant Chubb, per Insurance Insider.
Dali, the ship, is covered by Britannia P&I Club, a specialist insurer that provides protection and indemnity cover for the maritime industry. Britannia is a member of the London-based International Group of P&I Clubs.

** https://www.businessinsider.com/baltimo ... 20industry.

He also remembers crossing the bridge by train many times which is strange since it never had a railway on it