Jerry Atrick wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2024 11:06 am

ItWasntMe wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2024 10:44 am

newsgatherer wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2024 9:36 am This is a place here where lower class white people come to spend their money on poor families, I agree. It's a thin line that stretches for a few blocks, where many white people don't stray very far. You will find psychotic behavior from women who have been disappointed too often in their lives. I would still like to see some figures. I know a lot of girls are willing to get a few hundred a month for their child, and you see the world's oldest craft being passed down from generation to generation. But this is no longer the common factor. But it seems to be the preferred location for many people abroad. As for living beyond these areas, I can say that I always get exact and correct change when I buy eggs and bread.

Well it's easy access, the bar girls and freelancers speak english and have nothing but time to spend with you.
Meeting a "regular" woman here takes a bit more effort, unless maybe you're a sexy beast with a fat wallet, but I don't see too many of those expats around Kampot lol

But numbers would be interesting, ie what % of western visitors / expats hangs around the bars with ladies of the night and other westerners vs those having integrated more with Cambodian society and living in stable relationships.

I imagine there is a fair amount on CEO living the regular family life here in Cambodia, or elsewhere with a Cambodian wife.
However, having been a bar fly in Kampot for an extended time, I get the impression there is a majority of alternative #1.

Just the fact that every other place in Kampot town is a lady bar kind of speaks for itself.

Could be wrong though.

My Ethiopian brother; not every second bar in Kampot is a hostess bar


It's closer to every third bar in Kampot being hostess bar


And most of the hostesses have ended up there at the tail of a career spanning PP-SKV-KPT so that group and the detritus of their various families and partners is, I would venture, not representative of the majority of mixed families here but rather a concentration of both the less desirable elements of "western" and Khmer cultures

But that's just like my opinion, man

newsgatherer wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2024 11:02 am This is where I feel like you have limited experience in the field, because I don't think they speak English very well most of the time. However, they are good at pretending to listen, but if you check on them, they don't even care. In 'every other place' !?!. The bars in Kampot, these girls have a family and a younger boyfriend, the white people make a lot of money, even the idiots. This seems amplified by a few seedy service locations. But take your average white narcissist, reality TV show contestants are just as promiscuous, if not more so. The price is just higher. I'd be happy to hear about any loser getting ripped off for a quick ride on the elevator of youth and deception.

ItWasntMe wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2024 10:44 am
I realize the integrated westerners with mixed families probably aren't as visible to someone like me who only rarely goes out and always to some shady place.

newsgatherer wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2024 1:46 pm I came for the weather and personal freedom. Too old to integrate into society, but the children are doing well. I'm not too old to spend the extra free time I have teaching them what I believe are right values. Give them free internet access and a nice computer. It's really not that hard work. I don't have to worry about school shootings. Or people lumping my kids in with Long Beach hip-hop culture and the expanded tattoo regime, etc. The school they attend makes them realize the differences in our culture and gives me hope that there is a future that is more positive than the average biased Western perspective would offer.

Marx wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2024 2:39 pm

ItWasntMe wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2024 10:44 am
I realize the integrated westerners with mixed families probably aren't as visible to someone like me who only rarely goes out and always to some shady place.

I think that those kind of people aren't very visible as posters on CEO. A hard core of regular posters, including some mods, do seem to have a vast wealth of experience of girly bars - prices, quality of girls, declining quality of girls/service, history over the last decade, etc. - that they're usually keen to share, whatever the original subject of the post. This is only of very limited interest to those of us who choose to live in places, with our families, where that kind of bar doesn't exist. And, when they're in Phnom Penh, look at the clientele occupying the outdoor seats with a kind of fascinated horror, the way you have to look at bad traffic accidents.