The view of the hospital bomb site: no crater, plenty of shattering but the close vicinity looks pretty intact. I am not even sure on the claim that this blast could kill 500 ppl.

Another thick layer of inextricable finger-pointing horror.
At this pace, how long will it take for this whole area to be be refered as "the radiation zone" ?
It feels dark.

from watching reports/films/analysis

failed Jihadist's rocket.

Pro-Palestine protestors stormed the Capitol.
https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1714731 ... 06752?s=20

Identifying Possible Crater from Gaza Hospital Blast

Bellingcat was able to identify what appears to be the impact crater, after analysing footage and images of the aftermath. We believe this crater to be an important piece of information about the attack, what follows is preliminary analysis of the crater.

One video, filmed in the aftermath of the blast and posted on Instagram on Wednesday, does show an impact crater. The apparent impact crater is located at these coordinates: 31.504890, 34.461640.

The ground surrounding one side of the crater shows a cone of scarring and pitting, consistent with the explosion of a munition at this site. Objects within this cone appear to have suffered extensive damage, including a fence which was largely destroyed by the explosion.

As noted by Marc Garlasco, a Military Advisor at PAX for Peace’s Protection of Civilians team, the impact point does not appear to be consistent with the 500, 1000 or 2000-pound bombs used in Joint Direct Attack Munitions (JDAMs).

We created a panorama showing the impact crater, based on the video above which helps show the affected area.



In a press conference Wednesday, Israel Defense Forces (IDF) spokesperson Daniel Hagari outlined their analysis of the blast and why they believe it came from inside Gaza. He also stated that “no craters can be identified” at the site.

An image supplied to media along with a press release by the Israel Defense Forces, Bellingcat has appended the location of a possible crater with a yellow square.
One of the images that Hagari held up during the press conference to support the claim that there were no craters at the site shows what appears to be a crater in a location corresponding with the Instagram video.

In a video posted October 19, the day after Hagari’s press conference, IDF spokesperson Jonathan Conricus did note the small crater and said its size indicates the hospital blast was not caused by an Israeli munition. “Scroll through pictures of rockets that impacted in Sderot, Ashkelon, in Be’er-Sheva, you’ll see very similar sites,” he said. “A small crater, lots of soot and fire remarks and you can see that all of the buildings around are generally intact. If a big Israeli bomb had been dropped here, none of this would have been intact.”

Full Analysis & source data - https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2023/10 ... tal-blast/

down_time wrote: ↑Thu Oct 19, 2023 4:11 pm

Identifying Possible Crater from Gaza Hospital Blast

Bellingcat was able to identify what appears to be the impact crater, after analysing footage and images of the aftermath. We believe this crater to be an important piece of information about the attack, what follows is preliminary analysis of the crater.

One video, filmed in the aftermath of the blast and posted on Instagram on Wednesday, does show an impact crater. The apparent impact crater is located at these coordinates: 31.504890, 34.461640.

The ground surrounding one side of the crater shows a cone of scarring and pitting, consistent with the explosion of a munition at this site. Objects within this cone appear to have suffered extensive damage, including a fence which was largely destroyed by the explosion.

As noted by Marc Garlasco, a Military Advisor at PAX for Peace’s Protection of Civilians team, the impact point does not appear to be consistent with the 500, 1000 or 2000-pound bombs used in Joint Direct Attack Munitions (JDAMs).

We created a panorama showing the impact crater, based on the video above which helps show the affected area.



In a press conference Wednesday, Israel Defense Forces (IDF) spokesperson Daniel Hagari outlined their analysis of the blast and why they believe it came from inside Gaza. He also stated that “no craters can be identified” at the site.

An image supplied to media along with a press release by the Israel Defense Forces, Bellingcat has appended the location of a possible crater with a yellow square.
One of the images that Hagari held up during the press conference to support the claim that there were no craters at the site shows what appears to be a crater in a location corresponding with the Instagram video.

In a video posted October 19, the day after Hagari’s press conference, IDF spokesperson Jonathan Conricus did note the small crater and said its size indicates the hospital blast was not caused by an Israeli munition. “Scroll through pictures of rockets that impacted in Sderot, Ashkelon, in Be’er-Sheva, you’ll see very similar sites,” he said. “A small crater, lots of soot and fire remarks and you can see that all of the buildings around are generally intact. If a big Israeli bomb had been dropped here, none of this would have been intact.”

Full Analysis & source data - https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2023/10 ... tal-blast/

Why is it that whenever Bellingcat (supposedly an independent NGO despite admitting to being funded jointly by USAID and Mi5) has a big journalistic scoop, it always just so happens to confirm the prevailing political narrative in London, Washington DC and New York City? I don't think I've ever so much as post something truly inconvenient to the State Department or His Majesty's Foreign Office.

HaifongWangchuck wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:15 am Why is it that whenever Bellingcat (supposedly an independent NGO despite admitting to being funded jointly by USAID and Mi5) has a big journalistic scoop, it always just so happens to confirm the prevailing political narrative in London, Washington DC and New York City? I don't think I've ever so much as post something truly inconvenient to the State Department or His Majesty's Foreign Office.

I don't think you know how aid funding works (and/or perhaps what USAID is), USAID provides funding for loads of independent NGO's it's part of how they work. An organisation will develop a project proposal and apply to USAID for funding to execute the project. USAID is an overseas development agency for civilian foreign aid and development assistance*, it is not some sort of spy agency like MI5. I have worked with USAID in the past, they funded agricultural development projects for rural farmers, they were certainly not using them as covert agents to disrupt vegetable supplies in Cambodia lol.

Also to be clear, MI5 is the UK's domestic intelligence agency, they would have nothing to do with the majority of Bellingcat's work as it's (mostly) overseas. The only exception to this I can think of is the poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal, in 2018. Perhaps you mean MI6? Which is the foreign intelligence agency of the UK. Regardless, I can find no source for that claim. I'd be interested if you could, but I think that is just rumour circulated by suspect websites.

Don't get me wrong, it does receive funding from the NED, various defence contractors, the EU, OECD and others. You can speculate on how this affects its independence but try not to wrongly conflate different organisations, it's not very helpful and feeds into all sorts of conspiracy theories such as the ones claiming Bellingcat is a CIA front.

Just because they support the prevailing political narrative in London & Washington (not sure what New York City has to with anything tbh), doesn't mean what they conclude is not accurate. They are entitled to pick and choose what they investigate. Why do they have to go out of their way to find situations that counter 'western' narratives, they are a 'western' organisation? As an independent non-profit they can choose whatever they want. That is the principle of independence.

*USAID as a foreign development agency will certainly choose projects that support diplomatic objectives at times, as with almost all countries foreign aid agencies they are a projection of 'soft power' to assist governments in achieving their aims overseas without resorting to force. They are not though, part of the intelligence services.