Time for the money thing again? How much are you spending these days?

truffledog · Post by **truffledog** » Fri Jan 27, 2023 9:36 pm

Kammekor wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 8:48 pm
truffledog wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 8:28 pm just to note that the average YEARLY income of cambodian citizen is roughly 2000-3000 US$. You will find stats that are even well below those figures.
Yes, many Cambodians struggle financially in day to day life. It's one of the reasons we have a Cambodian living in with us to support the studies But I don't think that's the scope of this poll.

The interesting comparison is the fact that CEO members seem to spend 6-7 times an average cambodian salary (as pool per NOW)

hanno · Post by **hanno** » Fri Jan 27, 2023 9:39 pm

I am still a little shell shocked. I arrived in PP four weeks ago and find it very (unreasonably) expensive. Rents are a joke, restaurants are generally exorbitant, shopping is crazy. I spent the last few years in Vietnam and pretty much everything was cheaper there apart from cars.

orichá · Post by **orichá** » Fri Jan 27, 2023 10:21 pm

hanno wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 9:39 pm I am still a little shell shocked. I arrived in PP four weeks ago and find it very (unreasonably) expensive. Rents are a joke, restaurants are generally exorbitant, shopping is crazy. I spent the last few years in Vietnam and pretty much everything was cheaper there apart from cars.

Yup ...I am doing all my own cooking. Rent plus food, transport and extra costs will run me 600 not including the 10% tax on my wage.. . . The supermarkets are insane...you have to look hard and visit more than one to compare prices...

xandreu · Post by **xandreu** » Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:22 pm

orichá wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 10:21 pm
hanno wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 9:39 pm I am still a little shell shocked. I arrived in PP four weeks ago and find it very (unreasonably) expensive. Rents are a joke, restaurants are generally exorbitant, shopping is crazy. I spent the last few years in Vietnam and pretty much everything was cheaper there apart from cars.
Yup ...I am doing all my own cooking. Rent plus food, transport and extra costs will run me 600 not including the 10% tax on my wage.. . . The supermarkets are insane...you have to look hard and visit more than one to compare prices...

I do accept that people can be a little shocked that a supposed 'developing' country like Cambodia can be a lot more expensive than they imagined, but it's not really that different to most other countries. You get what you pay for. If you want to live a westernised lifestyle, live in a westernised apartment in a westernised area and eat westernised food, yes, it'll cost you westernised prices.

Westernised food is a lot more expensive than back home but I'm guessing that's because not only does it have to be imported, and I guess the import tax on westernised food is probably set pretty high.

But I think rents are very reasonable compared to westernised countries. Well, I can only talk about the UK. I can live in a similarly comfortable westernised apartment here for about a quarter the price it would cost me in the UK.

If you're prepared to lower your standards. it's perfectly possible to still live a reasonably comfortable lifestyle here on a fraction of what it would cost back home. Eat like a local, choose a traditional style apartment instead of an ultra modern westernised one, get yourself a partner who isn't with you just for the money, and you can still live here pretty happily and comfortably on a fraction of what it costs back home.

hanno · Post by **hanno** » Sat Jan 28, 2023 7:25 am

xandreu wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:22 pm
orichá wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 10:21 pm
hanno wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 9:39 pm I am still a little shell shocked. I arrived in PP four weeks ago and find it very (unreasonably) expensive. Rents are a joke, restaurants are generally exorbitant, shopping is crazy. I spent the last few years in Vietnam and pretty much everything was cheaper there apart from cars.
Yup ...I am doing all my own cooking. Rent plus food, transport and extra costs will run me 600 not including the 10% tax on my wage.. . . The supermarkets are insane...you have to look hard and visit more than one to compare prices...
I do accept that people can be a little shocked that a supposed 'developing' country like Cambodia can be a lot more expensive than they imagined, but it's not really that different to most other countries. You get what you pay for. If you want to live a westernised lifestyle, live in a westernised apartment in a westernised area and eat westernised food, yes, it'll cost you westernised prices.

Westernised food is a lot more expensive than back home but I'm guessing that's because not only does it have to be imported, and I guess the import tax on westernised food is probably set pretty high.

But I think rents are very reasonable compared to westernised countries. Well, I can only talk about the UK. I can live in a similarly comfortable westernised apartment here for about a quarter the price it would cost me in the UK.

If you're prepared to lower your standards. it's perfectly possible to still live a reasonably comfortable lifestyle here on a fraction of what it would cost back home. Eat like a local, choose a traditional style apartment instead of an ultra modern westernised one, get yourself a partner who isn't with you just for the money, and you can still live here pretty happily and comfortably on a fraction of what it costs back home.

I am not exactly new to the region, having worked in Siem Reap for 6 years and in Vietnam for 20. PP is considerably more expensive than either. My budget for rent is $1,500; haven’t found anything I like yet. That sort of money would get me a nice flat in Berlin!

Ryan754326 · Post by **Ryan754326** » Sat Jan 28, 2023 8:56 am

I’ve never found Phnom Penh to be expensive. I feel like I could live comfortably here for under $1000 a month if I stayed out of the bars, and got a long term rental instead of living in hotels.

Stravaiger · Post by **Stravaiger** » Sat Jan 28, 2023 10:42 am

hanno wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 9:39 pm I am still a little shell shocked. I arrived in PP four weeks ago and find it very (unreasonably) expensive. Rents are a joke, restaurants are generally exorbitant, shopping is crazy. I spent the last few years in Vietnam and pretty much everything was cheaper there apart from cars.

But if you drank wine...

And I think rentals in central Phnom Penh compare favourably with central Saigon.

However, it all comes down to specific preferences, which is why resources like numbeo are of limited use. One man's banh mi is another man's Dagwood. Wiener schnitzel (veal) at the Parkhaus hcmc about $15; pork schnitzel with potato salad $4.50 at the Goethe Institute here. Apples and oranges.

Lost50 · Post by **Lost50** » Sat Jan 28, 2023 11:07 am

To keep referencing 'the average Cambodian earns $2000 to $3000 a year' is rather pointless.

That would be the average for those sampled so the chap making $10+ million per year would not be included. Funnily enough many won't shout about their huge earnings. Oddly enough they keep it quiet.

This applies to any country. I think Vietnams 'average' is $6k a year yet the increase in supercar dealerships & multi million dollar homes puts that into question.

To sample 1000 (or whatever) low paid workers & conclude an average salary is not representative at all.

orichá · Post by **orichá** » Sat Jan 28, 2023 11:15 am

hanno wrote: ↑Sat Jan 28, 2023 7:25 amI am not exactly new to the region, having worked in Siem Reap for 6 years and in Vietnam for 20. PP is considerably more expensive than either. My budget for rent is $1,500; haven’t found anything I like yet. That sort of money would get me a nice flat in Berlin!

Lol. I have a place for 250, newish, with swimming pool... (I need to exercise daily to recondition my broken leg.)

Why in the world would you want to throw away 1,500 on rent!? You can get whole houses for 500, even in Phnom Penh.

Doc67 · Post by **Doc67** » Sat Jan 28, 2023 11:19 am

orichá wrote: ↑Sat Jan 28, 2023 11:15 am
hanno wrote: ↑Sat Jan 28, 2023 7:25 amI am not exactly new to the region, having worked in Siem Reap for 6 years and in Vietnam for 20. PP is considerably more expensive than either. My budget for rent is $1,500; haven’t found anything I like yet. That sort of money would get me a nice flat in Berlin!
Lol. I have a place for 250, newish, with swimming pool... (I need to exercise daily to recondition my broken leg.)

Why in the world would you want to throw away 1,500 on rent!? You can get whole houses for 500, even in Phnom Penh.

Where? I am seriously interested.

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