Kenr wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 1:21 pm

Big Daikon wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 1:16 pm All that icky data. Ewww.

The problem with that “icky data” is that you can go to five (5) different websites and get five (5) different statistical results. It’s your racism and bigotry that is statistically undeniable.

Definitions
Stanford University MSA Data Project: three or more persons shot in one incident, excluding the perpetrator(s), at one location, at roughly the same time. Excluded are shootings associated with organized crime, gangs or drug wars.[13]
Mass Shooting Tracker: four or more persons shot in one incident, at one location, at roughly the same time.[14][10]
Gun Violence Archive/Vox: four or more shot in one incident, excluding the perpetrators, at one location, at roughly the same time.[15][16]
Mother Jones: three or more shot and killed in one incident at a public place, excluding the perpetrators. This list excludes all shootings the organization considers to be "conventionally motivated" such as all gang violence and armed robberies.[8]
The Washington Post: four or more shot and killed in one incident at a public place, excluding the perpetrators.[7]
ABC News/FBI:[n 1] four or more shot and killed in one incident, excluding the perpetrators, at one location, at roughly the same time.[17]
Congressional Research Service: four or more shot and killed in one incident, excluding the perpetrators, at a public place, excluding gang-related killings and those done with a profit-motive.[18]

cautious colin wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 4:46 pm

Kenr wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 1:21 pm

Big Daikon wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 1:16 pm All that icky data. Ewww.

The problem with that “icky data” is that you can go to five (5) different websites and get five (5) different statistical results. It’s your racism and bigotry that is statistically undeniable.

Yes, from wikipedia: on how different places difine mass shootings.

Definitions
Stanford University MSA Data Project: three or more persons shot in one incident, excluding the perpetrator(s), at one location, at roughly the same time. Excluded are shootings associated with organized crime, gangs or drug wars.[13]
Mass Shooting Tracker: four or more persons shot in one incident, at one location, at roughly the same time.[14][10]
Gun Violence Archive/Vox: four or more shot in one incident, excluding the perpetrators, at one location, at roughly the same time.[15][16]
Mother Jones: three or more shot and killed in one incident at a public place, excluding the perpetrators. This list excludes all shootings the organization considers to be "conventionally motivated" such as all gang violence and armed robberies.[8]
The Washington Post: four or more shot and killed in one incident at a public place, excluding the perpetrators.[7]
ABC News/FBI:[n 1] four or more shot and killed in one incident, excluding the perpetrators, at one location, at roughly the same time.[17]
Congressional Research Service: four or more shot and killed in one incident, excluding the perpetrators, at a public place, excluding gang-related killings and those done with a profit-motive.[18]

For these purposes (unprovoked attack/unclear motive/random school shootings etc) I think Mother Jones has the most useful data.

In that dataset the % of black is considerably lower. Mainly because drug/gang-related shootings are taken out.

These shootings are still shootings but when talking about the kind of shootings that get reported here it is nearly always the unprovoked, seemingly random person shooting up a school or neighbourhood for no reason

2sevensclash wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 11:22 pm This hasn't been mentioned on the news today ?


https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/23/us/d ... oting.html

2sevensclash wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 11:22 pm This hasn't been mentioned on the news today ?


https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/23/us/d ... oting.html

An 18-year-old gang member has been charged with murdering two teenagers who the authorities said were in a rival gang