10 Foreigners @ Queenco Casino SHV Detained (No Work Permit)

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Username Taken wrote:Yeah, let's blame the employer for the guys stupidity.
I'm not talking about the visa, dodo, I'm talking abut the work permit.

Try employing someone in the UK, Aus, NZ, SA, Brazil, Japan, Taiwan, China, Russia or the US (or practically anywhere) and see if you get away with it.

The law is very clear: the employer is responsible for the work permit. For the visa, nail the individual. For the work permit, you suggest that the employer is not liable? Nice suggestion, but whether you like it or not, the law states that the employer is responsible.
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vladimir wrote:
Username Taken wrote:Yeah, let's blame the employer for the guys stupidity.
I'm not talking about the visa, dodo, I'm talking abut the work permit.

Try employing someone in the UK, Aus, NZ, SA, Brazil, Japan, Taiwan, China, Russia or the US (or practically anywhere) and see if you get away with it.

The law is very clear: the employer is responsible for the work permit. For the visa, nail the individual. For the work permit, you suggest that the employer is not liable? Nice suggestion, but whether you like it or not, the law states that the employer is responsible.
For a teacher, your reading skills are pretty sloppy, dodo!

The law is very clear: you can't work on a tourist visa!

Quote dodo: "For the work permit, you suggest that the employer is not liable."
Um, where did I suggest that? The guy got done for not having a valid visa. :facepalm:

If you have no valid visa, you cannot get a work permit FULL STOP!

Try employing someone in the UK, Aus, NZ, SA, Brazil, Japan, Taiwan, China, Russia or the US without a valid visa.
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In the UK as with Cambodia there are two responsibilities: employers are required to make certain people have work permits and can be fined if they do not, and employees are required to make certain they have work permits and can be fined/jailed/deported (or any combination thereof) if they do not.

The casino should be fined, as per the law but that doesn't grant any form of immunity to those working in it illegally.
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CEOCambodiaNews wrote:Sihanoukville, Cambodia: Several foreign nationals working at the Queenco Casino, including men and women from France, Ireland, Israel, Uzbekistan, Philippines and Romania, have been arrested for not having work visas.

The British man, Daniel Michael Anthony Wilce, was detained because his visa had also expired on March 20, 2015.
Hey UT, even for a mod, your reading is not so hot.

See above.

See that tiny word 'also' in the last sentence/ That implies he was both working without a work permit, and had also no visa - not even a tourist one- which was valid.

He was WORKING at the casino. That means - sorry to have to explain this, but you have been slow in this regard today - that the employer had already given him a job, yes?

Now, tell me, whose responsibility is it to check that an employee has a VALID visa for seeking work BEFORE processing the work permit, or of ensuring employee obtains relevant visa asap after employment (let's be charitable, here)? Take your time, take your time.

Whilst it is painfully obvious to even you that the onus of obtaining said visa falls on the individual, it doesn't appear to be very clear to you that his employer should have checked the employees' papers.

This was not done, or ignored, ergo:

1. Employer has broken the law wrt work permit/illegally employing someone
2. Individual has broken law by not having valid visa -of any sort - to be in the kingdom.

I can dumb it down more, but frankly I don't give that much of a poop.

Now, what's biting BOFH's arse?
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vladimir wrote:Now, where were we/
Just about here, I guess . . . .


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Glad to hear it.
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In the UK as with Cambodia there are two responsibilities: employers are required to make certain people have work permits and can be fined if they do not, and employees are required to make certain they have work permits and can be fined/jailed/deported (or any combination thereof) if they do not.

The casino should be fined, as per the law but that doesn't grant any form of immunity to those working in it illegally.
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vladimir wrote:Some people who applied in January are still waiting, and no one I know has ever got a receipt for back pay.
I guess you have to be here a while to learn you don't pay anything official without getting a receipt.
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Who's to say the casino wasn't fined?
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