Doc67 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 8:03 am This winter will seriously test the resolve of European governments and the depth of their citizen's resolve regarding Ukraine.

With gas prices trebling and talk of blackouts (even in Germany) rampant inflation and rising interest rates, this is shaping up to be a miserable winter for a lot of people, especially Ukrainians.

newkidontheblock wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:26 am

Jerry Atrick wrote:Valid points - it's not their war

Similar point was made in 1938 for the Sudetenland.

Putin wants to put the Soviet Union back together by force. The Czech Republic was behind the Iron Curtain.

President Biden could have made gas and oil production a national priority at the start. He could have shipped US natural gas and oil to Europe, and strengthened the alliance.

But he choose not to. Instead he tapped into the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to stabilize gas prices in the US. And to beg oil rich countries such as Iran and Venezuela to send more to the US.

Kammekor wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 8:15 am

Doc67 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 8:03 am This winter will seriously test the resolve of European governments and the depth of their citizen's resolve regarding Ukraine.

With gas prices trebling and talk of blackouts (even in Germany) rampant inflation and rising interest rates, this is shaping up to be a miserable winter for a lot of people, especially Ukrainians.

I don't think this winter will be the test with governments bailing people out and all storage full, the next will be far more interesting I think with Nordstream blown to pieces and maybe the Norwegian pipeline taken down as well?

Doc67 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 8:46 am

Kammekor wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 8:15 am

Doc67 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 8:03 am This winter will seriously test the resolve of European governments and the depth of their citizen's resolve regarding Ukraine.

With gas prices trebling and talk of blackouts (even in Germany) rampant inflation and rising interest rates, this is shaping up to be a miserable winter for a lot of people, especially Ukrainians.

I don't think this winter will be the test with governments bailing people out and all storage full, the next will be far more interesting I think with Nordstream blown to pieces and maybe the Norwegian pipeline taken down as well?

Governments are not bailing people out of inflation or rising interest rates. Their only tool for inflation IS higher interest rates. And their assistance on energy prices is not the panacea they are claiming. The UK are facing at least 2 x last year's costs even with government help, with many reports of bills rising threefold.

Are gas storage facilities full Europe wide? The UK are having to open a mothballed storage site as there is only 9 days supply in storage. That doesn't sound full to me. I understood that Germany can't get it's reserves up to a high level either since the Russians cut off supplies.

I agree about next winter though, if things remain like this, governments won't be able to afford to keep writing blank checks to energy companies. It's a right mess out there...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/busi ... 12867.html

Jerry Atrick wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:19 pm

PRAGUE, Oct 28 (Reuters) - Thousands of Czechs protested in Prague on Friday, demanding the centre-right government step down to allow an early election and calling for talks with Russia on gas supplies ahead of winter.

The demonstration on a national holiday in Prague's main square was the third organised by far-right political movements, fringe groups and the Communist party. Police estimated the crowd in the lower tens of thousands, less than the two previous rallies.
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The organising group "Czech Republic First!" opposes the European Union and NATO transatlantic alliance, and wants the nation of 10.7 million to be militarily neutral.


Protesters waved Czech flags, chanted "Resign, Resign" and carried signs calling for an exit from NATO and the EU.

"This is a new national revival and its goal is for the Czech Republic to be independent," event organiser Ladislav Vrabel said. "When I see a full square, no one can stop this."


High energy prices, fuelled by the war in Ukraine, have piled pressure on governments across Europe to cushion the blow of mounting energy costs for consumers and businesses.

The Czech government of Prime Minister Petr Fiala has signed up to EU sanctions against Russia and taken a tough stance over the invasion of Ukraine. It has also adopted a string of measures, including financial aid for companies and price caps on electricity for households.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/cz ... 022-10-28/







Valid points - it's not their war