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Gout

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I have had Gout flare ups for about a year now and its getting to the point where the pain is incapacitating. I have seen a doc and they recommended Noni (Nony?) Tea which I am drinking. I have also upped my water intake massively - and pissing aboit 10 times a day as a result.

Any suggestions?

I am not over weight, don't drink much beer (1 or 2 cans a night). I do take regular exercise and sweat alot while doing it - is this bad?

This is agony.

Help appreciated.
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I've heard a few gout ridden expats swear by cherry juice
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Colchimax (medication) - do a search. It works !
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If it’s a condition that you have- then maybe allopurinol, which is used as a prevention. Colchicine is largely used to diminish pain symptoms.

Diet management-Accounts for a lot. Vitamin C. Be careful with grapefruit though, if you take colchicine. The combination apparently has undesirable side effects.
Medications that you take can exacerbate an otherwise previously unknown condition.
I get occasional Gout attacks as a result of losing a kidney and being on a long term medication recommended by the specialists, as a result of losing the kidney. The medication results in elevated levels of Uric acid, and the loss of a kidney results in less uric acid being drained from the system.

Gout is caused by a build up of uric acid in the body, which can be due to a condition that you have, or as a result of another situation, as in my case. I’m not allowed to take allopurinol, though. It’s side effects are incompatible with professional flying.

Hydration is essential. Pee more. I understand that some issues that lead to gout can also result in kidney stones, too.

There’s a whole host of foods which should be taken in moderation, some of which are quite surprising. Foods high in purines result in elevated uric acid.
Cauliflower, Turkey, and many fish, which often appear in healthy diet lists, along with Game meats like venison, organ products- liver, kidney, and heavy meats like Beef. Strangely, counter intuitively, Lamb is supposedly fine.
Tomatoes apparently sit in both camps- good and bad. Good, because of their superfood properties. Bad, because of their higher sugars, being a fruit.

Avoid corn syrup. A sugar substitute which appears in just about every western processed sweetened food/liquid. From canned drinks to cough medicines.

I eat a fair amount of oranges. Vitamin C is apparently instrumental in breaking down the uric acid. Although, it’s also suggested to make things slightly more alkali.
Cherry juice, and unsweetened cherries are noted in some publications on the subject, as being a good thing to include in diet.
Dairy is suggested as part of the diet.

A blood test can identify if you have elevated Uric acid, which is a startling point in knowing what to do next.
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In my case it was apparently down to my diet, I went through a period where I was eating lobsters and crabs daily, at times I was crippled with gout.
My doctor advised me to lay off the seafood, I did and the problem disappeared.
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Green tea is rated as a good natural means of managing acid levels, as prevention.

Activity. I’m convinced that if an attack occurs, once the swelling is being brought under control that mobility has a big influence in rate of recovery. This is a difficult thing to get going, though, as the pain is ridiculously disproportionate; just a simple tensing of a muscle can result in agony. Nevertheless, I’m sure (from purely a personal perception) that getting mobility back into the joint, without impact stresses, is essential.

But prevention is a must.

Among various medical establishments, gout and its causes seems to be a matter of much debate and controversy, with a lot of contradictory opinions, although there are some consistent areas.
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Had this problem when in Cambodia three years ago and for at least two years prior. Drugs (chol. & allo.) no longer worked. Drinking quite a lot (moderate by Australian standards). Some weeks couldn't walk without crutches. Lots of pain and swollen joints.

I know how painful it can be and sympathise.

Went back to my sh*thole country new zealand and couldn't drink because there's no point (if you've been to that place you'll understand). Then Covid-19 hit. Stuck in that cr*phole for 3 years no alcohol. Within a year threw the crutches away and no more pain or swelling.

Back in Cambodia. 2 months dry no gout. Two nights out with a few beers and the pain is creeping back.

Forget about drugs. They just mask the symptoms until they don't work anymore. Then the problem is even worse than it was when you started the drugs because the disease has progressed and you can look forward to kidney stones (same pain level as giving birth they say - hurts like hell if they're big ones - I've had them).

The bottom line is you can't drink. Might be the sugar, don't know. Two beers a night is a lot if you have gout. My (reduced) pain was present again on two beers a night when I escaped new zealand a few months ago on only a couple of nights out.

When I stopped drinking it still took 12 months to clear out the gout because I was dumb enough to follow a quack's advice and take colchicine previously. Also cut the carbs; that helps. No crappy bread, white grains or vegetable oils for cooking. Dairy might be ok but not the sh*t from new zealand.

But it might take you months to fix it without the toxic drugs (the track I went down when I still believed doctors had any clue about health).

Good luck to you Sir.
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If beer is an issue for you google red wine and gout.

I have a mate who developed gout so he did a lot of reading up on it, cut back on a few foods, and started drinking red wine instead of beer. He was a heavy beer drinker.

He did tell me how it works but I don't remember now. I think it's something to do with an acid that isn't in the wine but is in the beer, or maybe there's something in the wine that counters the acid that causes it but whatever the reason, it seems to be working for him. He still drinks beer but not nearly as much as before and he has the gout under control.

Maybe it'll be useful for you, seems like everyone has to figure out their own magic formula to get it under control. Good luck though mate, it looks like a c*** of a thing to have.
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Quack's advice my ass. The first time I had it around 15 years back I got out of bed one day and the pan in my foot was so excruciating I fell down. After a couple of days of this I headed to a clinic and the doc immediately said sounds like gout to me. 4 days later I was calling colchicine the wonder drug. I get 2-3 episodes a year and 3-5 days on colchicine knocks it back completely. Would not trade it for anything. I eat and drink what I want when I want and the only thing that would change my mind is if it stopped working. 15 years on and still going.
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johnny lightning wrote: Thu Oct 27, 2022 1:38 am Quack's advice my ass. The first time I had it around 15 years back I got out of bed one day and the pan in my foot was so excruciating I fell down. After a couple of days of this I headed to a clinic and the doc immediately said sounds like gout to me. 4 days later I was calling colchicine the wonder drug. I get 2-3 episodes a year and 3-5 days on colchicine knocks it back completely. Would not trade it for anything. I eat and drink what I want when I want and the only thing that would change my mind is if it stopped working. 15 years on and still going.
Don’t be so quick to dismiss. Colchicine is actually quite hard on the system, especially gastrointestinal, and needs to be taken with care. It’s also quite an old though established treatment. But it’s primary use is control of the symptoms- inflammation. It does not have a bearing on the cause of the problem, which is ultimately an excess of Uric acid.
Uric acid is essential in our system. but as with many problems, it’s the excess that is the problem.

Not everyone has the same root causes, nor responses. As mentioned, it seemed to be an issue with quite a broad range of opinions and debate. It’s also on the rise.
I wonder if the amount of processing in foods isn’t a major contributor.
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