US bars 'advanced tech' firms from building China factories

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US bars 'advanced tech' firms from building China factories

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https://www.bbc.com/news/62803224

US bars 'advanced tech' firms from building China factories for 10 years.

Good decision, or bad?
It’s a start, but long overdue, needs to be broader scope.
US tech companies that receive federal funding will be barred from building "advanced technology" facilities in China for 10 years, the Biden administration has said.
The guidelines were unveiled as part of a $50bn (£43bn) plan aimed at building up the local semiconductor industry.
The great sellout of various industries was a problem that I was encountering over 2 decades ago, in Europe.
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Will this include cutting edge pharma research or are animal rights too stringent in the West for the Fauci crowd ?
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CaptainCanuck wrote: Wed Sep 07, 2022 3:01 pm Will this include cutting edge pharma research or are animal rights too stringent in the West for the Fauci crowd ?
Who knows? Specific administrations aside, the bigger picture from my point of view is that far too many companies outsourced too great a proportion of their manufacturing, and further, they naively placed it in far too limited a location.
As an engineer (previously), I saw several companies do this, much to their detriment. This is not a new phenomenon, and so recriminations against a present incumbent for not fixing what several elected governments allowed to happen over the decades preceding would be wrong.
The article specifies US companies, and specifically those federally funded. But on a greater scale, a lot of capability and know how was outsourced in many sectors. Far too much to China. In the UK, such was the success of this that several companies simply ceased to exist as UK based businesses, except maybe from an admin/paperwork/registered office viewpoint. The manufacturing, technical, research staff either moved to other companies of their own volition, or they were subsequently made redundant. Either way, they vanished. The product remained, manufactured in the Far East, mainly.

All too frequently, the quality suffered. Equally, the subcontractor slowly became the ‘boss’, rather than the supplier, and eventually dictated future development and supply.
A sell out.

Towards the end of my engineering career, I was involved in several projects that were hampered by this control on product supply slowly being imposed by a region that was meant to be a supplier.
Again, significant naïveté on the part of the west, who realised short term financial gains, but something of a drain in the long term.

Later, very early in my aviation career, I saw elements of this affecting aviation. Supply of key small components being limited by a single manufacturer. It was remarkable that the source of an otherwise mundane semiconductor, (both by supplier, and manufacturing location) could have such an impact. All because there was only a very limited number of suppliers, and they might actually all be the same company. That was the case for a single computer on an aircraft built new nearly 20 years ago.
Imagine a whole production line of cars being manufactured, and completed, and then parked up, while the supply of a small chip held up production of the engine ECUs.

My engineering career was mainly electronics based, and then I moved permanently into aviation. I would find it very easy to believe that the same concerns as I had then are relevant to just about any industry. Bio, pharmaceuticals, agricultural, et al.

China was clever, I think, in capitalising on corporate greed.
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China is the siren call of any totalitarian government. Easy set up. The government says so, and it’s done. Little to no red tape. Immediate access to labor and resources, location, etc. plus the added advantage of a cheap work force, and a giant market on top of that.

And asking for concessions that can written off as business expenses. It also helped that tons of money was spent to buy off governments and leaders to allow this to happen.

Want to sell commercial aircraft? Build us a factory and train people how to build the air to air missiles the US military uses. Want to sell cars? Build us an institute and train engineers how to build them.
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Freightdog wrote: Wed Sep 07, 2022 3:38 pm
CaptainCanuck wrote: Wed Sep 07, 2022 3:01 pm Will this include cutting edge pharma research or are animal rights too stringent in the West for the Fauci crowd ?
Who knows? Specific administrations aside, the bigger picture from my point of view is that far too many companies outsourced too great a proportion of their manufacturing, and further, they naively placed it in far too limited a location.
As an engineer (previously), I saw several companies do this, much to their detriment. This is not a new phenomenon, and so recriminations against a present incumbent for not fixing what several elected governments allowed to happen over the decades preceding would be wrong.
The article specifies US companies, and specifically those federally funded. But on a greater scale, a lot of capability and know how was outsourced in many sectors. Far too much to China. In the UK, such was the success of this that several companies simply ceased to exist as UK based businesses, except maybe from an admin/paperwork/registered office viewpoint. The manufacturing, technical, research staff either moved to other companies of their own volition, or they were subsequently made redundant. Either way, they vanished. The product remained, manufactured in the Far East, mainly.

All too frequently, the quality suffered. Equally, the subcontractor slowly became the ‘boss’, rather than the supplier, and eventually dictated future development and supply.
A sell out.

Towards the end of my engineering career, I was involved in several projects that were hampered by this control on product supply slowly being imposed by a region that was meant to be a supplier.
Again, significant naïveté on the part of the west, who realised short term financial gains, but something of a drain in the long term.

Later, very early in my aviation career, I saw elements of this affecting aviation. Supply of key small components being limited by a single manufacturer. It was remarkable that the source of an otherwise mundane semiconductor, (both by supplier, and manufacturing location) could have such an impact. All because there was only a very limited number of suppliers, and they might actually all be the same company. That was the case for a single computer on an aircraft built new nearly 20 years ago.
Imagine a whole production line of cars being manufactured, and completed, and then parked up, while the supply of a small chip held up production of the engine ECUs.

My engineering career was mainly electronics based, and then I moved permanently into aviation. I would find it very easy to believe that the same concerns as I had then are relevant to just about any industry. Bio, pharmaceuticals, agricultural, et al.

China was clever, I think, in capitalising on corporate greed.
I never mentioned the ‘present administration’ as I figured it would trigger a knee jerk reaction from the Biden apologists ..... but you are correct that Fauci is a holdover of decades ..... that both the ‘gain of function’ research and the nano technology within the ‘vaccines’ are both things funded in Wuhan by Fauci using Federal money since at least Obama ....
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