Tommie wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 12:26 am From the BBC:

Boris Johnson, the man ousted as UK prime minister by his own government just three months ago, has emerged as an early front-runner to be the next prime minister.
His replacement Liz Truss crashed and burned after 45 days in the job, announcing her resignation after being forced to ditch most of her policy programme after it spooked the financial markets.
A second Johnson premiership would be an extraordinary turnaround even for a politician who has made miraculous comebacks before.

Missing quite a lot from your post there.

forced out by his own MPs after three years in office, following a string of scandals

His final months office were dogged by accusations he broke ministerial rules by not telling the truth about Covid lockdown-busting parties in Downing Street.

He remains under investigation by the Parliamentary Standards Committee, which in theory could lead to him being suspended from Parliament, or even being kicked out as an MP.

The prospect of Johnson's return to Downing Street has been met with horror by some Conservatives. Former leader Lord Hague warned it could lead to a "death spiral" for the Conservative Party.

Foreign Office Minister Jesse Norman said Mr Johnson returning as prime minister would be an "absolutely catastrophic decision" while Tory MP Sir Roger Gale has said he would quit the party.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63342114

Time for the Conservatives to step aside and be in opposition while they sort their party out. A lot of the mess we are seeing in solely caused by party in fighting. Cameron was forced to call a referendum on EU because of fear the party would split, May was kicked out because of the continued party in fighting. Its just a shame that the country has to suffer as a result of rich kids fighting.

Freightdog wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 1:38 am Other than for a very few extreme situations such as Death in office, severe illness or incapacity, or a personal decision to step down for entirely non-office related issues such as family bereavement, I feel there should be some mechanism to ensure that internal party politics, misconduct in office, and instability in the top leadership positions should immediately require the deputy to take up the reins, and bring about an election within 3-6months maximum. Continuation and stability of government once elected, yet these things seem woefully lacking.

I agree with that. If there is a change in PM there should be a general election. We are so far from the manifesto that people voted for in 2019 that we need an election. I also think that if an MP leaves or is removed from their party there should be a by election.

Latest on who is backing who

As things stand 201 out of 357 Tory MPs have publicly spoken out about who they're backing.

Here's the breakdown:

• Rishi Sunak - 125 MPs

• Boris Johnson - 53 MPs

• Penny Mordaunt - 23 MPs

The latest Tory MPs to pledge their support are Tim Loughton, Paul Holmes and Greg Knight, who have all backed Sunak.

These are the latest figures on MPs who have told the BBC on the record who they are backing, or MPs who have publicly declared their support.

Boris has decided to pull. Doesn't mean anything coming from a notorious liar but anyway:

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/23/worl ... index.html

hanno wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:51 am Boris has decided to pull. Doesn't mean anything coming from a notorious liar but anyway:

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/23/worl ... index.html

Johnson couldn't get 100 MP's to back him. He claimed he had them but ? The man's a liar with every breath.

Sunak has 150+ publicly declared. He is a very safe bet for any MP wanting a job or be in his good graces. However, the prime time to commit to Sunak has passed and Jonny-come-lately supporters get no credit.

Mordaunt has less than 50 publicly declared. This is risky for MP's as she is likely to lose and her supporters will have the black spot allocated by their name in the whips book.

Now Boris is out, any Stop Sunak campaign only has one home; Mordaunt.

There are 357 conservative MP's so that leaves about 200 who have not publicly supported Sunak who could, in theory, back Mordaunt in the secret ballot. Conservative MPs are notorious for their duplicity.

Betting Odds are: Sunak 1/25 and Mordaunt is 24/1.
I'm not a betting man, but Mordaunt's got to be worth a cheeky £10?

https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics

I agree with that. If there is a change in PM there should be a general election. We are so far from the manifesto that people voted for in 2019 that we need an election. I also think that if an MP leaves or is removed from their party there should be a by election.
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It should be remembered that, strictly speaking, in the UK you don't vote for a PM, nor do you vote for which party should be in Government, you vote for who represents your constituency in parliament, your MP. So in theory unless your MP resigns/cannot serve etc then there is no reason for a new election. It should also be remembered that the PM is actually appointed by the monarch. Although convention dictates that the leader of the party with the most seats is appointed, that is not set in stone.

But yeah, things have changed so much since 2019 that it is probably about time for another go.