'Swallowed' by China: Cambodia's Ream base expansion raises alarm

sammycooke · Post by **sammycooke** » Thu Mar 02, 2023 12:58 am

More evidence of a military base being built despite denials by Cambodian and Chinese official

"BlackSky details building of China’s secret naval base in Cambodia

BlackSky geospatial satellite imagery intelligence discovers construction to accommodate aircraft carriers at suspect base in Cambodia."

https://www.naval-technology.com/news/b ... -cambodia/

newkidontheblock · Post by **newkidontheblock** » Thu Mar 02, 2023 7:54 am

Random Dude wrote:You have to wonder... if there weren't so many US bases in their back yard, would China still see the need to put a base of their own in Cambodia?

Same sentiment in the West with a man called Hitler in the last century. Allowed Nazi Germany to militarize, then occupy the Sudantenland, and so on. Millions died to stop Hitler.

If China were like the Aussies and the Kiwis, there would be no problem.

Just my opinions.

yong · Post by **yong** » Thu Mar 02, 2023 9:11 am

newkidontheblock wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 7:54 am Same sentiment in the West with a man called Hitler in the last century. Allowed Nazi Germany to militarize, then occupy the Sudantenland, and so on. Millions died to stop Hitler.

If China were like the Aussies and the Kiwis, there would be no problem.

Just my opinions.

CEOCambodiaNews · Post by **CEOCambodiaNews** » Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:55 pm

Please note that the British Navy paid an official visit to Ream Naval Base in Cambodia just two weeks ago and spent five days there. No alarms were raised.

Royal Navy's OPV HMS Spey visits Ream Naval Base in Cambodia
Naval News March 2023 Navy Forces Maritime Defense Industry
Posted On Wednesday, 01 March 2023 16:50
https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.p ... bodia.html

18 February 2023

HMS Spey became the first Royal Navy warship to visit Cambodia in 65 years, arriving to mark almost 70 years of diplomatic relations between the UK and Cambodia.
The crew of HMS Spey spent five days in Ream Naval Base, 100 miles southwest of the capital Phnom Penh, participating in a series of public relations events.

newsworthy/first-royal-navy-ship-visits ... 53765.html

truffledog · Post by **truffledog** » Thu Mar 02, 2023 7:00 pm

CEOCambodiaNews wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:55 pm Please note that the British Navy paid an official visit to Ream Naval Base in Cambodia just two weeks ago and spent five days there. No alarms were raised.

The crew of HMS Spey spent five days in Ream Naval Base, 100 miles southwest of the capital Phnom Penh, participating in a series of public relations events.

No secrets to be disclosed on a PR event. I guess the whole area will be offlimits for anybody (even Khmer) soon enough.

John Bingham · Post by **John Bingham** » Thu Mar 02, 2023 7:10 pm

So Team Naval Base has finally started getting a new pier and is being upgraded? It's been there for at least 50 years and barely changed for decades until very recently. Do other countries get such scrutiny just for expanding their facilities?

Reecek · Post by **Reecek** » Thu Mar 02, 2023 9:36 pm

CEOCambodiaNews wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:55 pm Please note that the British Navy paid an official visit to Ream Naval Base in Cambodia just two weeks ago and spent five days there. No alarms were raised.

Royal Navy's OPV HMS Spey visits Ream Naval Base in Cambodia
Naval News March 2023 Navy Forces Maritime Defense Industry
Posted On Wednesday, 01 March 2023 16:50
https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.p ... bodia.html

18 February 2023
HMS Spey became the first Royal Navy warship to visit Cambodia in 65 years, arriving to mark almost 70 years of diplomatic relations between the UK and Cambodia.
The crew of HMS Spey spent five days in Ream Naval Base, 100 miles southwest of the capital Phnom Penh, participating in a series of public relations events.
newsworthy/first-royal-navy-ship-visits ... 53765.html

did they also get to pick up deadfish from the beaches. Kohtakiev island is surrounded by sanddredgers. destroying the whole area. Ream shoreline, the whole shoreline between kep and sihanoukville is now 80% demolished. in just a year. if u dont believe it go and look for urself....piers, docks, harbors, freetradezones. the whole coastline people are crying. no more crab, no more fish, no more oysters. livelyhood of thousands destroyed in just a few months.

John Bingham · Post by **John Bingham** » Thu Mar 02, 2023 11:30 pm

Reecek wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 9:36 pm
CEOCambodiaNews wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:55 pm Please note that the British Navy paid an official visit to Ream Naval Base in Cambodia just two weeks ago and spent five days there. No alarms were raised.

Royal Navy's OPV HMS Spey visits Ream Naval Base in Cambodia
Naval News March 2023 Navy Forces Maritime Defense Industry
Posted On Wednesday, 01 March 2023 16:50
https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.p ... bodia.html

18 February 2023
HMS Spey became the first Royal Navy warship to visit Cambodia in 65 years, arriving to mark almost 70 years of diplomatic relations between the UK and Cambodia.
The crew of HMS Spey spent five days in Ream Naval Base, 100 miles southwest of the capital Phnom Penh, participating in a series of public relations events.
newsworthy/first-royal-navy-ship-visits ... 53765.html

did they also get to pick up deadfish from the beaches. Kohtakiev island is surrounded by sanddredgers. destroying the whole area. Ream shoreline, the whole shoreline between kep and sihanoukville is now 80% demolished. in just a year. if u dont believe it go and look for urself....piers, docks, harbors, freetradezones. the whole coastline people are crying. no more crab, no more fish, no more oysters. livelyhood of thousands destroyed in just a few months.

It's obvious that there has been a lot of private investment on the coast. However it's a long stretch from that to believing that the PRC has taken over.

truffledog · Post by **truffledog** » Fri Mar 03, 2023 12:20 am

John Bingham wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 11:30 pm
Reecek wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 9:36 pm
CEOCambodiaNews wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:55 pm Please note that the British Navy paid an official visit to Ream Naval Base in Cambodia just two weeks ago and spent five days there. No alarms were raised.

Royal Navy's OPV HMS Spey visits Ream Naval Base in Cambodia
Naval News March 2023 Navy Forces Maritime Defense Industry
Posted On Wednesday, 01 March 2023 16:50
https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.p ... bodia.html

18 February 2023
HMS Spey became the first Royal Navy warship to visit Cambodia in 65 years, arriving to mark almost 70 years of diplomatic relations between the UK and Cambodia.
The crew of HMS Spey spent five days in Ream Naval Base, 100 miles southwest of the capital Phnom Penh, participating in a series of public relations events.
newsworthy/first-royal-navy-ship-visits ... 53765.html

did they also get to pick up deadfish from the beaches. Kohtakiev island is surrounded by sanddredgers. destroying the whole area. Ream shoreline, the whole shoreline between kep and sihanoukville is now 80% demolished. in just a year. if u dont believe it go and look for urself....piers, docks, harbors, freetradezones. the whole coastline people are crying. no more crab, no more fish, no more oysters. livelyhood of thousands destroyed in just a few months.
It's obvious that there has been a lot of private investment on the coast. However it's a long stretch from that to believing that the PRC has taken over.

Cambodia ows China billions of $, I guess nobody really knows how much?
Chinese own billions in property? How big is the chinese share in those private investmenst along the coast?
its mostly chinese companies that exploit the national natural resources?
Chinese own and run a lot of factories in key sectors (how many Cambodians are employed by chinese owned factories?)
the "chinese" share of GDP is getting more and more?
"possibly" chinese armed forces present on Cambodian Territory? (against the constitution?)

I am not shure what you mean by taking over, but the economy is surely on the way to be controlled by chinese interests. I guess that we will have many years with at least 50% of total tourists arriving coming from China which means that the tourism will be mostly dedicated to chinese likings and habits.

Will this lead to conflict with the majority of Cambodians who cant get out of poverty?

John Bingham · Post by **John Bingham** » Fri Mar 03, 2023 12:43 am

The commercial centers of SE Asia have been dominated by Chinese for centuries. When we conflate private businesses with "China" it isn't helpful. The Cambodian economy is very healthy and there is no indication that Chinese government loans for infrastructure cannot be paid off. It's also short sighted not to see how Cambodians are also benefitting hugely from private Chinese investment.
The hysterical and baseless accusations of PLA taking over the country are not helping either. The western media has been ranting about this miniscule port for years, even while it was patently obvious that nothing substantial had changed in decades. Recently there has been some construction, I fail to see what the big deal is. Are sovereign states not allowed to improve their infrastructure?

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