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Re: It could just happen

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violet wrote: Mon Oct 03, 2022 8:32 am
Kammekor wrote: Mon Oct 03, 2022 8:27 am
violet wrote: Mon Oct 03, 2022 7:54 am Unfortunately, it is not likely he will get well enough to travel home.
Soon, I guess you mean?
well, obviously I have no idea. I just see that he has worsened during his time in hospital. I also read his own comments where he says what is required in order for him to be able to fly home. I also read it doesn't seem likely he'll be sourcing the oxygen required even if he was released from the hospital.

It is harsh to make comments like I did, but people may choose to make different decisions if they realise the full gravity of the situation.
Maybe I shouldn't say anything, given that it's all a big unknown. I'll gauge that from how others comment on this occasion.
Maybe you could leave speculating about Andy's condition to those who have been in touch with him and/or his doctors? His daughter has been in touch with the embassy and with his helper already. What can you possibly add that she can't learn from them, harsh or otherwise?
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This post is not to defend myself but just to respond to Alex’s question.

People can receive the exact same information and interpret it differently. We had many examples with COVID of that.
Others have received the information from the helper and are more aligned to my view.

Not defending. Merely stating.
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Re: It could just happen

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I think Violet is only stating what is clear from the contents of this thread. Each point she makes has been stated throughout both by people who know him, have visited him and by himself and his helper. And she makes a good point about weighing the options available under the circumstances, even if they don't appear to be great right now.

If the gentleman in the hospital didn't want his business in full view of this forum, I think that he would have requested that it be locked.
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Re: It could just happen

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I'm so sorry but I can't make it today, I have a huge work schedule.
I'll try for tomorrow, would anyone be able to come with me?
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There’s a well worn phrase- Hope for the best, plan for the worst. It helps avoid the immense disappointment if things don’t go as we hope having set expectations too high.

Amy.
Might I suggest that you need to get some qualified input regarding repatriation? I can tell you that many airlines would have difficulty catering for very specific needs, but might delay in giving you any real answers. Repatriation flights are no small effort, and the distances involved are considerable.
For anyone with a compromised respiratory system, that is going to be a major concern.
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Might I suggest that you need to get some qualified input regarding repatriation? I can tell you that many airlines would have difficulty catering for very specific needs, but might delay in giving you any real answers. Repatriation flights are no small effort, and the distances involved are considerable.
For anyone with a compromised respiratory system, that is going to be a major concern.
Here lies the problem, there is no way he can fly now on commercial airlines. He is on and off the ventilator for the past day and even if off, he needs o2> He has not moved out of bed in over 6 weeks, has no use of his legs at all.
only taking small amounts of water, milk thru his nose> so literally wasting away

even if he was now in the UK, i have no idea what could be done for him more than what they are already trying>

Yea, pray for a positive outcome, but prepare for the worst.
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some info on flying with an portable oxygen concentrator.

https://www.oxygenconcentratorstore.com ... centrator/
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Re: It could just happen

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I thought I read in this thread that portable oxygen concentrators aren’t available in Cambodia - are they?
Despite what angsta states, it’s clear from reading through his posts that angsta supports the free FreePalestine movement.
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Re: It could just happen

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violet wrote: Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:19 pm I thought I read in this thread that portable oxygen concentrators aren’t available in Cambodia - are they?
The family might send one in from the UK, but still....
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There’s a risk that some of this may be unsettling. But to avoid anyone heading down a wrong path.

A portable oxygen concentrator is only part of the battle. Shipping it would be problematic- batteries.

The person needing it would need to be otherwise relatively fit and able if they were travelling alone. If they were in need of significant assistance, they would need to be accompanied. The airline and airports don’t have those facilities to hand.
Cabin altitude in the aircraft is around 7000ft in the cruise. If Oxygen concentration requirements are needed on the ground, then further measures would be required in the air. We’re talking actual oxygen bottles for the duration of the flight.

It would be very easy to take several isolated bits of information, and put together a plan. This would most likely fail at point of check in.
Andy is currently immobile and hospitalised from what I gather. I honestly cannot see any scheduled airline accepting him as a passenger in his condition, without significant professional health care in attendance.
If he needs to remain on a bed, with IV fluids, the complications are well outside the capacity of many airlines. Especially at short notice.
Then, you need to consider the companies that have the fewest connections. Singapore, for instance, with a stop in Singapore.
And then there’s the matter of insurance.

Apologies if that’s a bit blunt. This is a consideration for companies that deal with this sort of issue.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... -in-the-uk

It may well be that some airlines are equipped or are able to accommodate. I needed to return to the UK urgently 4 years ago. Only a few airlines were on the insurance company’s list. BA and Thai being two of them. Eva may have been the third. Thai procrastinated for over a week before finally coming back with a response.
Take a look at their schedules, now, though. They aren’t pretty.

I would prefer that I’m wrong in my assessment.
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