Mass Trial Sentences 31 to Jail, Cambodian-American Detained
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Mass Trial Sentences 31 to Jail, Cambodian-American Detained
not much political freedom here it seems
Seng Chan Theary dressed as Lady Liberty earlier this morning.
Seng Chan Theary dressed as Lady Liberty earlier this morning.
https://vodenglish.news/mass-trial-verd ... o-custody/Thirty-one opposition activists have been sentenced to six to eight years in jail for plotting and incitement, while another 20 had their sentences suspended, as the Phnom Penh Municipal Court issued CNRP mass-trial verdicts on Tuesday morning.
Scuffles earlier broke out on the road outside a CNRP mass-trial verdict hearing at the Phnom Penh Municipal Court as officers dragged away Seng Chan Theary, a Cambodian-American opposition activist.
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In court, 12 were sentenced to eight years in jail, 19 others — including Chan Theary — to six years, and 20 had five-year sentences suspended. The situation was unclear for nine others originally part of the case.
Around 15 arrest warrants, mostly for CNRP leaders overseas including Sam Rainsy and Mu Sochua, were also issued.
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Re: Mass Trial Sentences 31 to Jail, Cambodian-American Detained
Well their platform is essentially based on xenophobia, rather than any meaningful change, so fuck emphuketrichard wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 1:13 pm not much political freedom here it seems
Seng Chan Theary dressed as Lady Liberty earlier this morning.
https://vodenglish.news/mass-trial-verd ... o-custody/Thirty-one opposition activists have been sentenced to six to eight years in jail for plotting and incitement, while another 20 had their sentences suspended, as the Phnom Penh Municipal Court issued CNRP mass-trial verdicts on Tuesday morning.
Scuffles earlier broke out on the road outside a CNRP mass-trial verdict hearing at the Phnom Penh Municipal Court as officers dragged away Seng Chan Theary, a Cambodian-American opposition activist.
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In court, 12 were sentenced to eight years in jail, 19 others — including Chan Theary — to six years, and 20 had five-year sentences suspended. The situation was unclear for nine others originally part of the case.
Around 15 arrest warrants, mostly for CNRP leaders overseas including Sam Rainsy and Mu Sochua, were also issued.
Re: Mass Trial Sentences 31 to Jail, Cambodian-American Detained
I have to respectfully disagree. I'm no fan of Sam Rainsey but a significant number of those convicted have no affiliation with the CNRP despite them being constantly referred to as CNRP activists in the press.Jerry Atrick wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 1:17 pm Well their platform is essentially based on xenophobia, rather than any meaningful change, so fuck em
Theary Seng (dressed as Lady Liberty) was the executive director of the Centre for Social Development, which largely focused on assuring a fair trial in the Khmer Rouge Tribunal. She then became president of the Center for Cambodian Civic Education, an organization that works on civic education, reconciliation and peace-building working with former victims of the Khmer Rouge. She is the author of Daughter of the Killing Fields.
She is an articulate, educated advocate for the dispossessed and as such a "problem" for those that benefit from the status quo. It is her vocal advocacy on human rights and land rights that has got her into trouble. Her lawyer has stated that no evidence was provided to the court linking her to the CNRP leaders with whom she was convicted. She is a US dual national and unlike others has committed to staying in Cambodia to advocate for reform, rather than take the easy option of self-exile. She has been convicted of treason ffs!
I know personally, Cambodians who have worked in the human right field for decades who are leaving because they know that they cannot do their jobs effectively and fear reprisals for saying or doing something to upset vested interests. The CPP have every seat in parliament and over 99.76% of commune council chief positions. Is this what democracy looks like?
Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear." ― President Harry S. Truman, August 8, 1950
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Re: Mass Trial Sentences 31 to Jail, Cambodian-American Detained
So, in paragraph three you are saying that, with the exception of Theary Seng, the rest of those convicted are CNRP activists and leaders?down_time wrote: ↑Wed Jun 15, 2022 2:07 pmI have to respectfully disagree. I'm no fan of Sam Rainsey but a significant number of those convicted have no affiliation with the CNRP despite them being constantly referred to as CNRP activists in the press.Jerry Atrick wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 1:17 pm Well their platform is essentially based on xenophobia, rather than any meaningful change, so fuck em
Theary Seng (dressed as Lady Liberty) was the executive director of the Centre for Social Development, which largely focused on assuring a fair trial in the Khmer Rouge Tribunal. She then became president of the Center for Cambodian Civic Education, an organization that works on civic education, reconciliation and peace-building working with former victims of the Khmer Rouge. She is the author of Daughter of the Killing Fields.
She is an articulate, educated advocate for the dispossessed and as such a "problem" for those that benefit from the status quo. It is her vocal advocacy on human rights and land rights that has got her into trouble. Her lawyer has stated that no evidence was provided to the court linking her to the CNRP leaders with whom she was convicted. She is a US dual national and unlike others has committed to staying in Cambodia to advocate for reform, rather than take the easy option of self-exile. She has been convicted of treason ffs!
I know personally, Cambodians who have worked in the human right field for decades who are leaving because they know that they cannot do their jobs effectively and fear reprisals for saying or doing something to upset vested interests. The CPP have every seat in parliament and over 99.76% of commune council chief positions. Is this what democracy looks like?
Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear." ― President Harry S. Truman, August 8, 1950
But, two paragraphs above you assert that "a significant number of those convicted have no affiliation with the CNRP despite them being constantly referred to as CNRP activists in the press. "
Which is it?
Cambodia has never been ruled by what Americans consider a democracy, except in name. The same can be said for most countries in the region. Pressure from the "democratic" USA over the years and decades doesn't appear to have helped at all - quite the contrary.
I say let the Khmer sort out Cambodia from the inside they way they will
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Re: Mass Trial Sentences 31 to Jail, Cambodian-American Detained
Maybe I wasn't clear, I didn't mean to infer in the third paragraph all those with the exception of Theary Seng were CNRP activists and leaders.Jerry Atrick wrote: ↑Wed Jun 15, 2022 2:34 pmSo, in paragraph three you are saying that, with the exception of Theary Seng, the rest of those convicted are CNRP activists and leaders?
But, two paragraphs above you assert that "a significant number of those convicted have no affiliation with the CNRP despite them being constantly referred to as CNRP activists in the press. "
Which is it?
Cambodia has never been ruled by what Americans consider a democracy, except in name. The same can be said for most countries in the region. Pressure from the "democratic" USA over the years and decades doesn't appear to have helped at all - quite the contrary.
I say let the Khmer sort out Cambodia from the inside they way they will
My point was that the charges alleged that there was a plot between leaders such as Sam Rainsy, Mu Sochua and Eng Chhai Eang and the other defendants, some of which were CNRP activists and politicians, a number of whom had no such affiliation. Theary Seng is an example of one such defendant.
I understand the history of Cambodia and it's various governments, this is not about what is considered democracy by Americans or anyone else. It's simply about government by elected representation, which the Cambodian constitution (and many of its people) aspire to. You can't convince me that the current representation in national and local political structures represents the pluralism of the Cambodian population. I fully agree that Cambodians have to sort it out, the issue at hand is the shrinking space within which they can do that. In my experience many Cambodians are resigned to the current situation regardless of their politics, not because they support it but because they have seen what happens to those who reject it.
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Thank you, I will take a look. I had the good fortune to meet Benny Widyono two or three times and count as a good friend one former director of the Centre for Khmer studies. To be clear this is not about UNTAC, its failures and limitations are well documented.Apopheniac wrote: ↑Wed Jun 15, 2022 3:42 pm https://khmerstudies.org/post-cold-war- ... 5996093750
From about minute 40.00
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Re: Mass Trial Sentences 31 to Jail, Cambodian-American Detained
They move on from that 40 min point to discuss the current situation.
Re: Mass Trial Sentences 31 to Jail, Cambodian-American Detained
This situation is certainly a weak point for those considering living in Cambodia as an expat. However, the problem is of course, that it's the norm throughout much of ASEAN (and beyond). Even Singapore is considered to be a de facto one-party state.
If the dominant party can keep the populace happy by providing progress, prosperity and development, then the stability and continuum of a dominant party actually seems preferable to a system with constant changes in government. Thus, it's the results that matter. Failed states such as Sri Lanka and Myanmar show what can still happen in the 21st century.
Ultimately, as expats there's very little we can do, other than be prepared to move to another country when things get too pear-shaped.
If the dominant party can keep the populace happy by providing progress, prosperity and development, then the stability and continuum of a dominant party actually seems preferable to a system with constant changes in government. Thus, it's the results that matter. Failed states such as Sri Lanka and Myanmar show what can still happen in the 21st century.
Ultimately, as expats there's very little we can do, other than be prepared to move to another country when things get too pear-shaped.
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