With sentiments running high, no one will dare quibble over the cost of a new school for the darling children who have been so very traumatized .... There will be lots of slush money to spread around .... When you stop believing politicians of any stripe at any level actually care about their constituents more than lining their pockets, all of their actions and decisions become crystal clear ..... A pox on all their houses.

The police response at Robb Elementary was a failure, a Texas official says

A top Texas law enforcement official said that there were enough armed police officers wearing body armor to stop the late May shooting at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, three minutes after it began.

But instead, it took about an hour and 14 minutes from when officers arrived at the school to when they breached the door and ended the standoff with the gunman.

That was according to Steve McCraw, director of the Texas Department of Public Safety, who spoke to state officials during a Texas Senate committee hearing on Tuesday.

Within the first 3 minutes of the attack, there were at least nine officers out in the hallway, he said. There were at least two armed with rifles and a body shield, McCraw said. They also had bulletproof vests.

"The officers had weapons, the children had none. The officers had body armor, the children had none. The officers had training, the subject had none," McCraw said.

He added that law enforcement officers on scene searched for a master key to the classroom but never actually tried to open the door. That is until officers ultimately confronted the shooter more than an hour after the attack began. He believes the door was likely unlocked the entire time.
https://www.npr.org/2022/06/21/11063721 ... -arredondo

None of it really matters. Not only do police officers in the United States have qualified immunity, several Supreme Court rulings have made it clear that police officers are under no legal obligation to protect the community, even in situations like this.

John Bingham wrote: ↑Thu Jun 23, 2022 9:33 am

CaptainCanuck wrote: ↑Thu Jun 23, 2022 9:06 am With sentiments running high, no one will dare quibble over the cost of a new school for the darling children who have been so very traumatized .... There will be lots of slush money to spread around .... When you stop believing politicians of any stripe at any level actually care about their constituents more than lining their pockets, all of their actions and decisions become crystal clear ..... A pox on all their houses.

The darling children who have been so very traumatized? You think they should just toughen up and get used to being massacred? Where's your humanity?

Thank you Johnny Boy .... I knew with the right wording and the absence of some quotation marks, the perpetual virtue signalers wouldn’t be able to resist offering some personal sanctimony ..... Your determination to see problems where they don’t exist for the sole purpose to demonstrate your morale superiority never fails to amuse me ........ For those not affected with myopic vision my wording is clearly what filthy politicians and those like you ‘perpetual virtue signalers’ will use to take advantage of a terrible situation for their own gain ...... Which of course any sane person would be able to tell my entire rant was about.

Again and again, your comments are filled with ‘add-ons’; innuendos; and obvious misinterpretations ..... Captain Cup Half Full strikes again..... Again and again you never address the statements in their entirety, merely exorcising some small passage, take it out of context, misinterpret it and then through your skewed vision preach from above your sanctimonious drivel.

You are truly boring but I’d be remiss for not affording you full marks for consistency.

Kenr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 23, 2022 9:29 am None of it really matters. Not only do police officers in the United States have qualified immunity, several Supreme Court rulings have made it clear that police officers are under no legal obligation to protect the community, even in situations like this.

Playing Devils Advocate here.
The police get flack from somebody each and every time they use deadly force, there’s mobs screaming for the police to be defunded, popular music advocating “fuck the police!” yet the same police force is expected to blindly rush into the line of fire?
We all know what we think should have been done, but who really wants to be the first through that door, knowing there’s a maniac with an assault rifle on the other side?
Monday morning quarterbacks, is the expression I believe.

Chad Sexington wrote: ↑Thu Jun 23, 2022 12:12 pm

Kenr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 23, 2022 9:29 am None of it really matters. Not only do police officers in the United States have qualified immunity, several Supreme Court rulings have made it clear that police officers are under no legal obligation to protect the community, even in situations like this.

Playing Devils Advocate here.
The police get flack from somebody each and every time they use deadly force, there’s mobs screaming for the police to be defunded, popular music advocating “fuck the police!” yet the same police force is expected to blindly rush into the line of fire?
We all know what we think should have been done, but who really wants to be the first through that door, knowing there’s a maniac with an assault rifle on the other side?
Monday morning quarterbacks, is the expression I believe.

I’m not judging either way, and I’m not being a Monday morning quarterback, so try again. The post right before mine that I was referring to was talking about what the police response was, and I just stated what the laws were here in the United States. I wasn’t there so I don’t know what happened, but it doesn’t matter, because the police cannot be held accountable anyway.

Not sure why they would destroy a Building. I understand not wanting for it to remain a school. Perhaps sell the police station and turn this into the new police station. Might reinforce for their local police department why they serve.

Beyond the tragedy of the shooting. I would hope that people remember the scenes of literally over a hundred law enforcement officials running around outside the school. Wearing body armor, carrying automatic weapons, driving SUV's. And realize that we spend a LOT of money on law enforcement that might be better spent on other local needs. And no I don't hate police, but I also remember growing up with much fewer police being around. And I might add that I was amazed at how many of those officers were frankly fat and out of shape.

In regards to the comment made about why would police want to be rushing through the door given that some people have protested against them. Well, I can understand the feeling - but if it is that strong then it is time for another line of work. From what I've read the 11 officers that were in the school 2-3 minutes after the shooter ALL had body armor and two of them had automatic weapons and all were armed. I have a difficult time coming up with any type of valid reasoning were 11 officers wouldn't take out 1 suspect that they know is shooting children. I can understand the initial retreat when taking gunfire, but then you regroup and go get the guy. And by regroup I'm not talking about calling for additional help.

The reports yesterday that an officer tried to get to the room and was restrained, had his weapon taken, and was escorted off the premises by police is particularly damning. That shows there were clear orders from someone not to approach the room. ALL the videotape needs to be publicly released in full - security cameras, body equipment, 911 calls - everything.