Do you support Ukraine or Russia?

Big Daikon · Post by **Big Daikon** » Thu Sep 29, 2022 3:44 am

Random Dude wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 1:45 am
Big Daikon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:00 pm Nord Stream leaking.

If Russia was behind the explosions, which seems likely, that might be what it takes for half of Europe to get directly involved in the war.

Seems unlikely to me.

Yobbo · Post by **Yobbo** » Thu Sep 29, 2022 3:46 am

Why would Russia sabotage it's own pipeline ?

Big Daikon · Post by **Big Daikon** » Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:06 am

Changed my mind.

hburns · Post by **hburns** » Thu Sep 29, 2022 5:00 am

Yobbo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 3:46 am Why would Russia sabotage it's own pipeline ?

So they can claim that its not their choice that the flow of gas to Europe has been stopped, its because the pipes have great big holes in them. They are kind of running out of excuses now about why gas flow to Europe gets stopped or gets reduced to 20% of capacity. They've used the faulty turbine then the turbine was fixed but they said they couldn't accept delivery of it because of sanctions but Europe said they could accept it. There have also been technical issues causing a reduced flow and also an oil leak. Europe said no technical issues detected and that the oil leak if it were genuine wouldn't have a serious impact on flow. But all the time Russia says no we haven't been weaponising gas, its not our choice to stop or reduce flow its blah blah blah

Tootsfriend · Post by **Tootsfriend** » Thu Sep 29, 2022 6:10 am

This lady is telling the troops what tampons are used for. Maybe they will also use them to seal off the gas in the pipeline.

Yobbo · Post by **Yobbo** » Thu Sep 29, 2022 12:03 pm

hburns wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 5:00 am
Yobbo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 3:46 am Why would Russia sabotage it's own pipeline ?
So they can claim that its not their choice that the flow of gas to Europe has been stopped, its because the pipes have great big holes in them. They are kind of running out of excuses now about why gas flow to Europe gets stopped or gets reduced to 20% of capacity. They've used the faulty turbine then the turbine was fixed but they said they couldn't accept delivery of it because of sanctions but Europe said they could accept it. There have also been technical issues causing a reduced flow and also an oil leak. Europe said no technical issues detected and that the oil leak if it were genuine wouldn't have a serious impact on flow. But all the time Russia says no we haven't been weaponising gas, its not our choice to stop or reduce flow its blah blah blah

Would of been a whole lot easier just to turn it off, Russia needs all the revenue it can get!

Kammekor · Post by **Kammekor** » Thu Sep 29, 2022 12:12 pm

Yobbo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 12:03 pm
hburns wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 5:00 am
Yobbo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 3:46 am Why would Russia sabotage it's own pipeline ?
So they can claim that its not their choice that the flow of gas to Europe has been stopped, its because the pipes have great big holes in them. They are kind of running out of excuses now about why gas flow to Europe gets stopped or gets reduced to 20% of capacity. They've used the faulty turbine then the turbine was fixed but they said they couldn't accept delivery of it because of sanctions but Europe said they could accept it. There have also been technical issues causing a reduced flow and also an oil leak. Europe said no technical issues detected and that the oil leak if it were genuine wouldn't have a serious impact on flow. But all the time Russia says no we haven't been weaponising gas, its not our choice to stop or reduce flow its blah blah blah
Would of been a whole lot easier just to turn it off, Russia needs all the revenue it can get!

If prices go through the roof the might get the same revenue delivering less.

This isn't the only pipeline by the way.

It's scary stuff if they actually managed to destroy a 100M deep pipeline in muddy waters on the seafloor. What's next? Cutting data cables? Power cables from offshore energy production?

phnompenhsteve · Post by **phnompenhsteve** » Thu Sep 29, 2022 12:23 pm

It's easier to answer.
Who invaded who?

Post by **Freightdog** » Thu Sep 29, 2022 12:36 pm

Kammekor wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 12:12 pm
Yobbo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 12:03 pm
hburns wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 5:00 am
Yobbo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 3:46 am Why would Russia sabotage it's own pipeline ?
So they can claim that its not their choice that the flow of gas to Europe has been stopped, its because the pipes have great big holes in them. They are kind of running out of excuses now about why gas flow to Europe gets stopped or gets reduced to 20% of capacity. They've used the faulty turbine then the turbine was fixed but they said they couldn't accept delivery of it because of sanctions but Europe said they could accept it. There have also been technical issues causing a reduced flow and also an oil leak. Europe said no technical issues detected and that the oil leak if it were genuine wouldn't have a serious impact on flow. But all the time Russia says no we haven't been weaponising gas, its not our choice to stop or reduce flow its blah blah blah
Would of been a whole lot easier just to turn it off, Russia needs all the revenue it can get!
If prices go through the roof the might get the same revenue delivering less.

This isn't the only pipeline by the way.

It's scary stuff if they actually managed to destroy a 100M deep pipeline in muddy waters on the seafloor. What's next? Cutting data cables? Power cables from offshore energy production?

The natural assumption of many peoples war scenarios are based on city, civilian and military targets. But supply lines and infrastructure are significant factors in what lead to, maintain and decide conflicts. Russia showed some of that weakness in the first few days of it’s invasion.

So, why not?
There’s no real reason why all the energy sources in the North Sea couldn’t or wouldn’t be targeted. Hitler in WW2 wanted, needed oil. The armies needed fuel. Denial and disruption of supplies makes perfect sense. And European winter is about to step in.
Protecting supplies could easily be manpower exhausting, and they’re relatively fixed targets. In fact, you could do a lot of damage for minimal own casualties by going after civilian energy. There’s a couple of nuclear plants which have had people’s attention for the last 8 months.

The sooner Russia implodes, the better, now, before this drags on much longer and pulls in more participants.

Apologies (and sympathies) to our Russian contributor.

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