nemo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 28, 2022 1:34 pm

vivathedivas wrote: ↑Thu Jul 28, 2022 2:01 pm

nemo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 28, 2022 1:34 pm

zero pretext? Read more, not just Fox or CNN or BBC

Using your logic, should we call JFK a megalomaniac for the Cuban Missile Crisis? No, his reaction was entirely understandable. Should we call Bush a megalomaniac for his invasion of Iraq? Yes.

vivathedivas wrote: ↑Thu Jul 28, 2022 2:28 pm No, absolutely not.

The rest of the world should nail Russia, and should nail ANY country invading another. I think you know that is my point.

Why the moral outrage after Ukraine, and not for Iraq?

Many would claim Palestinians have been subjected to gross human rights violations for over 70 years, for example, by a state which has striking similarities to apartheid South Africa. Why the selective silence for them and other countries? I want the same rules for everybody.

Pseudonomdeplume wrote: ↑Thu Jul 28, 2022 3:05 pm
With Israel and Palestine, look at the facts, without the media brainwashing:

Bwahaha, the overwhelming majority of media (Fox, CNN, BBC, ABC, Hollywood) are owned by pro-Israel groups, as are many IT companies, FB, Instagram, Whatsapp, Google, Oracle, Twitter, Microsoft, Oracle, SERIOUS FAIL. Excuse me while I giggle. My point: monopoly is not healthy if reasonable debate and democracy must thrive. I think you're the one who's experiencing the brainwashing, bro, the pro-Israel group controls far more of the media than the pro-Palestine group.

Israel is sold as being a apartheid regime, with 1.5 million Arabs living in Israel, and not many Jews live in Gaza?

30 million blacks lived in apartheid South Africa, 4 million in Bantustans, basically Reservations. Population stats do not indicate anything. How one treats that population does. FAIL.

The road signs are in Arabic as well as Hebrew and English.

Bwahahaha/ Road signs? Now THERE"S the international criterion for human rights! How about infrastructure? Schools, hospitals, water and electricity, security of land ownership, right to a fair trial, no detention without trial, basic Human Rights? (sorry to mention that irrelevant item)FAIL.

Arabs can speak Arabic freely in Israel. If anyone in Gaza is heard speaking Hebrew, they would be tortured and killed for being an Israeli spy.

I seriously doubt your claim, though. Source? (preferably from a respected international human rights group)

The people of Gaza are ruled by a terrorist organisation who would become redundant if there was a peace with Israel, Israel on the other hand has peace deals with Egypt, despite being attacked on a number of occasions from the Egyptian side, and it has peace with Jordan, and is now in dialogue with Saudi arabia.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. How many news mediums owned by parties supporting Palestine have you ever read (critically)? Does shooting children dead for throwing stones sound like the Geneva Convention to you? Violence must be condemned on BOTH sides, but first, let's address the CAUSE. Does the murder of (clearly uniformed and accredited) press agents covering news stories not sound like terrorism to you?

Israel's main enemies: Hamas and Hezbollah, both terrorist organisations. The Assad regime, and Iran where they hang people for being homosexual.

Here's hoping the Palestinian's can be free of Hamas and that the demonization of Israel stop. With that, maybe the standard of living and safety for all involved will rise and lead to peace.

Violence must end, demonization of both sides will stop when they behave like civilised people. Agree?

Tell us about the Naqba, the land theft which is condemned by HRW, the UN, several Israeli NGOs and billions of people worldwide (I guess they're all wrong), the deprivation of fresh water and electricity, no freedom of movement, the closing of universities, the murder of women and children. This cannot end well, for either side, but to deny responsibility from one side is simplistic and reeks of bias, racism and prejudice.

vivathedivas wrote: ↑Fri Jul 29, 2022 5:22 am

With Israel and Palestine, look at the facts, without the media brainwashing:
Bwahaha, the overwhelming majority of media (Fox, CNN, BBC, ABC, Hollywood) are owned by pro-Israel groups, as are many IT companies, FB, Instagram, Whatsapp, Google, Oracle, Twitter, Microsoft, Oracle, SERIOUS (COMPREHENSION) FAIL. Excuse me while I giggle.

As I alluded to, one should base their opinion disregarding the media (You went from an evil guffaw to a girlish titter).

Israel is sold as being a apartheid regime, with 1.5 million Arabs living in Israel, and not many Jews live in Gaza?

30 million blacks lived in apartheid South Africa, 4 million in Bantustans, basically Reservations. Population stats do not indicate anything. How one treats that population does. FAIL (yes you did. But at least you had to go and I know what you mean, but population indicates how many people live there which is something).

Again as I tried to point out, the Arabs are treated better than the Israelis in the respective foreign countries. The Arabs don't have to live in Israel, they're free to leave.

The road signs are in Arabic as well as Hebrew and English.

Bwahahaha/ Road signs? Now THERE"S the international criterion for human rights! How about infrastructure? Schools, hospitals, water and electricity, security of land ownership, right to a fair trial, no detention without trial, basic Human Rights? (sorry to mention that irrelevant item)FAIL.

How is that a fail? I pointed out the multilingual road signs that the Israelis have set in place to assist the Arabs. The situation is obviously not ideal, and of course there's improvements that could be made, not only with infrastructure. Tell me why that's irrelevant.

Arabs can speak Arabic freely in Israel. If anyone in Gaza is heard speaking Hebrew, they would be tortured and killed for being an Israeli spy.

I seriously doubt your claim, though. Source? (preferably from a respected international human rights group)

Do your own research.

The people of Gaza are ruled by a terrorist organisation who would become redundant if there was a peace with Israel, Israel on the other hand has peace deals with Egypt, despite being attacked on a number of occasions from the Egyptian side, and it has peace with Jordan, and is now in dialogue with Saudi arabia.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Is the freedom fighter the terrorist? Using violence with the goal of peace, is like fucking for virginity.

All I did was state facts. You've been opinionated. And judgmental. I was also judgmental of your judgments of me, which is a justifiable judgmental retort.

What was the topic again?

John Bingham wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 5:36 pm Vlad is back.