Freightdog wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 10:39 am No disrespect to the OP, as it’s a fairly open question, but I’m curious about what particular audience your teaching aspirations lean towards.
It may just be a slip of the finger, and often folk dismiss the importance of writing English accurately, but many native speakers are unaware of the subtle yet important differences in spelling such words as-
Affected/effected
Where/ware

Or abbreviations and contractions such as
Would’ve (would have, not would of)

So, if your intent is to embark on an earnest teaching career, then more power to you. But if it’s just an easy means to a pay cheque*, then you’re just going to be lumped in with the rest of ‘em!

*yes, that’s the correct spelling

Freightdog wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 10:39 am
Having experienced some of the utterly atrocious teaching, directed towards our kids in the local schools over the past few years, I’d hope that ideas towards teaching are more than just a means towards ensuring a supply of food and drink after the first year is finished.
The students ultimately suffer, and the country has been somewhat awash with half-hearted teachers of many nationalities as it is. Competent teachers seem very much in the minority, here.

Freightdog wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 4:53 pm

BklynBoy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 4:13 pm i can understand what you mean but is it that serious? If guy wants to work as a teacher he has to be super passionate about it ? he can teach until he doesn't want to anymore. Do people question other employment positions the way some seem to do to teachers? A job doesn't have to define who the person is. I do agree that teaching in Cambodia can be a fucked up experience due to the administration and lack of good benefits. I understand you may not take teaching English lightly but that doesn't mean everyone else has to have the same work ethic about a job.
I also agree it's the kids who suffer but wouldn't the people who are the decision makers be more responsible for hiring and all that goes with it?

If a school will hire him and turns out he doesn't want to work there anymore or feels deflated because of the administration or lack of services-- he can do what he wants. I wouldn't judge him any less.

I beg to differ. And yes, other employments (though, not all) and careers get questioned similarly.

Ultimately, the administration should be taking responsibility. Maybe this is the crux of the issue- an admin concerned purely with the commercial need to deliver the service, no matter how badly, to meet an obligation to deliver a service are likely to have discarded their initial obligation to do a job properly. I’m sure a great many people here have seen this on at least one occasion in their working career.
We might label it commercial pressure!

It then falls to those on the frontline to maintain a standard that their own bosses have decided is less important than maintaining cash flow, etc, etc.

As a parent, at every instance of poor teaching, I’m going to push back. Hence, my viewpoint.

It may seem like there should be an opportunity for someone to make a buck. I have no problem with that. If that opportunity comes at my expense and that of my kids’ education, then you can expect some criticism

Freightdog wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 4:40 pm
No, it’s not. But if there’s one thing that’s maybe worse than no education, it’s teaching false information and knowledge.

Chuck Borris wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 10:51 am Being native with 2 Mondays one Tuesday TEFL course doesn't make you a teacher. Thats why Thailand and Cambodia is very low on a EPI list, they hire unqualified "teachers" without qualification.
The opposite, top countries on the EPI dont hire natives, but hire their own competent qualified teachers with diploma in languages. And they actually speak another language beside their mother tongue, mostly 2 or more.

https://www.ef.com/wwen/epi/regions/asia/cambodia/
https://www.ef.com/wwen/epi/regions/asia/thailand/
https://www.ef.com/wwen/epi/

BklynBoy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 5:53 pm If guy wants to work as a teacher he has to be super passionate about it ? he can teach until he doesn't want to anymore. Do people question other employment positions the way some seem to do to teachers? A job doesn't have to define who the person is.

yongchi wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 7:01 pm

nerdlinger wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 6:22 pm

Freightdog wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 4:40 pm
No, it’s not. But if there’s one thing that’s maybe worse than no education, it’s teaching false information and knowledge.

In some situations sure - I wouldn’t want to get LASIK surgery from someone who’d learned from some random chancer - but I don’t think someone being taught to say “effect” instead of “affect” is worse than them not having an English teacher at all.

Likewise, I do mind who flies the plane. In Your Money Your Life (YMYL) professions I wouldn't want to be in the hands of someone who doesn't just wing it or learn as he/she goes.
But does teaching English as a foreign language belong in this group?

If so, run-of-the-mill English schools here had better up their salaries to a level where highly qualified individuals might actually be interested.
I'd rather have an OK English class by a less-than-perfect but enthusiastic native speaker than none at all.