The coming rise of ASEAN

techietraveller84 · Post by **techietraveller84** » Wed Dec 08, 2021 11:50 am

nemo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 4:43 pm China has proven itself as a very beneficial ally to Laos and Cambodia, and a vital lifeline to the Tatmadaw in Burma- the only thing standing between it and pariah status.

The remaining members are independent, and their vital interest lies in defending maritime sovereignty.

I think that is an important point, maybe those trying to defend maritime sovereignty should make their own club. They seem to have a more negative view of China and need a defense cooperative.

phuketrichard · Post by **phuketrichard** » Fri Dec 31, 2021 5:45 pm

He still heading over.
Two Explosions Near Cambodian Embassy in Yangon, Spokesperson Says

Prime Minister HE’s planned visit to Myanmar remains unaffected
PHNOM PENH--Two explosions took place on Friday morning near the Cambodian Embassy in Yangon, Myanmar.
Koy Kuong, a spokesman for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and International Cooperation, said that the blasts occurred at two different locations at 10:30 am.
"I received information from our embassy in Myanmar this morning at 10:30 am that there were two explosions. The first one exploded about 100 meters away and the second one was more than 150 meters away from the embassy compound,” Kuong said.

From Jan. 7 to Jan. 8, HE will be in Naypyidaw at the invitation of Myanmar junta chief senior general Min Aung Hlaing, who seized power in February 2021. His visit has received a backlash of criticism from both the people of Myanmar and international observers.

https://cambodianess.com/article/two-ex ... erson-says

phuketrichard · Post by **phuketrichard** » Wed Jan 05, 2022 2:43 pm

HE's planned visit fails to respect the 5-Point Consensus on Myanmar agreed to by all ASEAN leaders and Sr. Gen. Min Aung Hlaing. It undermines ASEAN credibility & threatens efforts to return to a democratic path in Myanmar.

Ot Mean Loi · Post by **Ot Mean Loi** » Wed Jan 05, 2022 3:11 pm

ASEAN is fragmenting as we read this. Dissention within ASEAN over Myanmar is palpable. HE HE as leader of ASEAN going to Myanmar and ONLY meeting with the military junta that overthrew and locked up the democratically elected government by the people of Myanmar will only exacerbate the divisions within ASEAN. Such a meeting becomes nothing more that a meeting between two authoritarian, single party rule, dictators. HE HE is not an international statesman and may well suffer reputational damage if he proceeds with this visit to Myanmar. ASEAN has the strong potential to fragment just as the original Malaysia and Singapore fragmented. Especially so as some members are mendicant states largely dependent upon external aid in order to function or for their leaders to remain in power.

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phuketrichard · Post by **phuketrichard** » Wed Jan 05, 2022 3:50 pm

Ot Mean Loi wrote: ↑Wed Jan 05, 2022 3:11 pm ASEAN is fragmenting as we read this. Dissention within ASEAN over Myanmar is palpable. HE HE as leader of ASEAN going to Myanmar and ONLY meeting with the military junta that overthrew and locked up the democratically elected government by the people of Myanmar will only exacerbate the divisions within ASEAN. Such a meeting becomes nothing more that a meeting between two authoritarian, single party rule, dictators. HE HE is not an international statesman and may well suffer reputational damage if he proceeds with this visit to Myanmar. ASEAN has the strong potential to fragment just as the original Malaysia and Singapore fragmented. Especially so as some members are mendicant states largely dependent upon external aid in order to function or for their leaders to remain in power.

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yep ASEAN will be splintered and for all accounts totally ineffective if He goes> ( nothing like the title of this thread) more like the fragmentation of ASEAN

what a fucking mistake

phuketrichard · Post by **phuketrichard** » Wed Jan 05, 2022 6:24 pm

good read:

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By KAVI CHONGKITTAVORN 5 January 2022

Cambodian Prime Minister HE will be the Myanmar military’s first guest of honor in Naypyitaw this weekend. Whatever the outcome of his two-day trip, it will have both intended and unintended consequences for the future of the ASEAN process, especially the five-point consensus (FPC). For nearly a year since the coup on Feb. 1, ASEAN has assumed the role of peacemaker, going strictly by the book to ensure that the crisis in Myanmar would come to an end through the grouping’s agency and good practices.

https://www.irrawaddy.com/opinion/guest ... avior.html

John Bingham · Post by **John Bingham** » Thu Jan 06, 2022 12:39 am

It's a brave move by HE and will show the west that ASEAN can sort out its own issues without colonialist guidance. Who is more likely to have success in discussions with the Myanmar/ Thai juntas or the communist LDR and Vietnam? The western governments who are so keen to blackball and put embargos on anything they don't like? Or the local initiatives led by the people of ASEAN?

Ot Mean Loi · Post by **Ot Mean Loi** » Thu Jan 06, 2022 2:36 am

This morning's op ed is worth reading:

https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-inter ... reter-2021

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Alex · Post by **Alex** » Thu Jan 06, 2022 11:28 am

ASEAN will never be a major player at the global level. Some members are already Chinese vassal states, others try to balance things a bit, most are completely irrelevant anyway.

phuketrichard · Post by **phuketrichard** » Thu Jan 06, 2022 3:35 pm

Sasa, the NUG’s minister for international relations, questioned whether HE plans to represent ASEAN, Cambodia or his own interests during his visit to Myanmar.

“If he represents ASEAN, he must speak to the people of ASEAN. If he’s making the visit for the people of Myanmar, the Myanmar people must be involved. If he is there as a friend of … Min Aung Hlaing, he’s going to write his own history,” he said.

“People will not accept him if he’s there to just shake Min Aung Hlaing’s blood-soaked hand. It won’t be acceptable. If Cambodia really wants to improve the situation in Myanmar, it cannot do it alone, it must coordinate with other ASEAN members.”

Burmese political analyst Than Soe Naing told RFA that HE’s visit will mostly benefit the junta and do little for the people of Myanmar.

https://www.rfa.org/english/news/myanma ... 81623.html

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