The bigger issue here in siem reap will be the road works. They seem to be speeding things up a bit but they're doing such a bad job of it (even by Cambodian standards) that it's going to take forever to fix this mess.
If SHV is to be taken as an example I'd recon it's going to take another 1-2 years to get the road infrastructure back to an acceptable level. Especially the visual part, parts of the city look like we where fighting the KR just last week.

KunKhmerSR wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:06 pm The bigger issue here in siem reap will be the road works. They seem to be speeding things up a bit but they're doing such a bad job of it (even by Cambodian standards) that it's going to take forever to fix this mess.
If SHV is to be taken as an example I'd recon it's going to take another 1-2 years to get the road infrastructure back to an acceptable level. Especially the visual part, parts of the city look like we where fighting the KR just last week.

Seems like they need to prioritise and get all hands on deck in the main streets for tourists, then focus on the rest after that. I was only there a couple of days but it all looked so piecemeal and slow.

General Mackevili wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 10:30 am
Or maybe we'll soon have a vaccine that 'works like normal vaccines' and you can decide to get it or not, and know that if you DO get it you're actually protected and don't need everyone around you to get it as well for it to work.

~ The effectiveness of all vaccines is the same, meaning that -- to eradicate the disease completely -- everyone has to be vaccinated.

Study the case of the eradication of polio in children, which has taken DECADES:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_eradication

There are other examples, but Polio proves that only total vaccination can eradicate any disease...

Covid vaccinations developed to date are fantastic, but not universally effective due to rapid and easy transmissions from up close respiration, etc. Toss in the ease of mutation along with global overpopulation, and well, maybe it is just a matter of time before we really get our comeuppance...

It may never "go back to normal..." I really think Asia will be emptying out of Westerners before too long...

Polio has been nearly eradicated in the wild due to vaccination so no need for boosters, or new vax in most countries.
Polio vax does not give lifelong immunity

feel like Cambodia is going to the one of the last country to get back to some sort of normal as it's normally not the main travel destination, it's normally something added to a trip in Thailand or Vietnam.

crob wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 5:25 pm feel like Cambodia is going to the one of the last country to get back to some sort of normal as it's normally not the main travel destination, it's normally something added to a trip in Thailand or Vietnam.

Conversely it may benefit Cambodia because people can't (or won't want to) go to TH or VN initially but will be able to come here. Especially if Malaysia opens up and there is easy transit via KL. If they get Siem Reap scrubbed up and run campaigns in AU, NZ and beyond, it could get things moving. Even if they purely work the "I've always been curious about Angkor Wat" angle. Steal some market before our neighbours get the chance.

orichá wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:59 pm

General Mackevili wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 10:30 am
Or maybe we'll soon have a vaccine that 'works like normal vaccines' and you can decide to get it or not, and know that if you DO get it you're actually protected and don't need everyone around you to get it as well for it to work.

~ The effectiveness of all vaccines is the same, meaning that -- to eradicate the disease completely -- everyone has to be vaccinated.

Study the case of the eradication of polio in children, which has taken DECADES:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_eradication

There are other examples, but Polio proves that only total vaccination can eradicate any disease...

Covid vaccinations developed to date are fantastic, but not universally effective due to rapid and easy transmissions from up close respiration, etc. Toss in the ease of mutation along with global overpopulation, and well, maybe it is just a matter of time before we really get our comeuppance...

It may never "go back to normal..." I really think Asia will be emptying out of Westerners before too long...

The vaccines were very effective against infection and hospitalisation/death against the original variants they were designed for. Anything from 80-90+% overall protection. Given the timeframe that would normally take several years to develop, I agree it is a fantastic result.

However, like the flu which is also a respiratory disease, covid mutates and like the flu vaccine, covid vaccines will need to be tweaked for any new variants. Sure, it's disappointing the effectiveness of covid vaccines wanes earlier than first thought but may be not surprising given the nature of it I think. So does the flu vaccine which is updated yearly and is far less effective at approx. 40% on average. post512772.html#p512772

Having said that, 3 recent studies in the US show that whilst infection effectiveness has declined since Delta to approx. 50%, hospitalisation effectiveness is holding up at approx. 80-90% which is still pretty good. post513984.html#p513984

I had at least 5 polio vax as a kid before age 8.
Probably a lot of younger members did not get so many as the disease waned.
There were MANY victims obvious in society right into the 1970's

A little more information about what I mentioned earlier in the thread.

90 Years of Tuberculosis Vaccination

July 18, 2011, marks an important anniversary in the history of infectious disease and vaccines—on July 18, 1921, the tuberculosis vaccine was first given to a human. The vaccine, developed by French scientists Albert Calmette and Camille Guérin, was an oral preparation of Bacillus Calmette-Guérin, or BCG in shorthand. BCG is a weakened form of a tuberculosis bacterium that causes the disease in cows. Benjamin Weill-Hall (1875-1958), French pediatrician and bacteriologist, fed the vaccine to an infant in Paris who were at risk for the disease in this first use of the vaccine.

Albert Calmette (1863-1933) had acquired the Mycobacterium bovis strain of tuberculosis, which had been isolated from the milk of an infected cow, in 1904. In 1908, at the Institut Pasteur in Lille, France, he and veterinarian Jean-Marie Camille Guérin (1872-1961) began attenuating M. bovis by passing it through a growth medium they had developed specifically for this purpose. Their immediate goal was to weaken the bacteria to the point where they could no longer kill a guinea pig. In the end, the researchers hoped to produce an attenuated strain of the bacillus that would safely confer immunity to an uninfected human host. It would be 13 years before they saw the fruits of their efforts.

https://www.historyofvaccines.org/conte ... accination


Study: TB Vaccine Linked to Lower Risk of Contracting COVID-19

Cedars-Sinai Research Raises Possibility That a Century-Old Vaccine May Be Useful Against Coronavirus

A widely used tuberculosis vaccine is associated with reduced likelihood of contracting COVID-19 (coronavirus), according to a new study by Cedars-Sinai. The findings raise the possibility that a vaccine already approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration may help prevent coronavirus infections or reduce severity of the disease.

The vaccine, known as Bacillus Calmette-Guérin (BCG), was developed between1908 and 1921 and is administered to more than 100 million children around the world every year. In the U.S., it is FDA-approved as a drug to treat bladder cancer and as a vaccine for people at high risk of contracting TB. The BCG vaccine is currently being tested in multiple clinical trials worldwide for effectiveness against COVID-19.

In the new study, published online Nov. 19 in The Journal of Clinical Investigation, investigators tested the blood of more than 6,000 healthcare workers in the Cedars-Sinai Health System for evidence of antibodies to SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, and also asked them about their medical and vaccination histories.

They found that workers who had received BCG vaccinations in the past—nearly 30% of those studied—were significantly less likely to test positive for SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in their blood or to report having had infections with coronavirus or coronavirus-associated symptoms over the prior six months than those who had not received BCG. These effects were not related to whether workers had received meningococcal, pneumococcal or influenza vaccinations.

https://www.cedars-sinai.org/newsroom/s ... -covid-19/


WHO’s Science in 5: TB & COVID-19

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=tb ... 0701A9F019