Australia, US and UK form AUKUS a new nuclear defence pact

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xandreu wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:13 am Can someone remind me what the great military threat from China is again?
All primates engage in war at some level, it's normal and natural. It's just that with human war, it is way over the top. We have to live with it, but not necessarily like it.
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General Mackevili wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:48 am France isn't happy.

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Too right France is not happy, their top government and military officials had a whole campaign planned and ready to execute in the event of a war with China.
Their immediate capitulation, serving up crepes and Beaujolais to any Chinese occupiers, Macron hiding in London for the duration, letting the Aussies, Yanks and Brits do all the fighting, and then jumping into bed with Beijing for a trade deal at the end of the conflict.
All that planning and now the deal has fallen through. :stir:
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xandreu wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:55 am
Brody wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:29 am
xandreu wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:13 am Can someone remind me what the great military threat from China is again?
This is in preparation.

There is no imminent existential threat.....but China is making huge soft power moves.......influence peddling in far flung regions like Africa and most recently Afghanistan.......need I highlight their abrupt infiltration into Cambodia in recent years.

They are pushing boundaries in the South China Sea.........seeing how far they can go with regards to the territorial claims of the Philippines, Vietnam, etc.

.....If this trend continues......some world power is going to pull China's card.

........What China would do next if that happened is the big question.

This new pact is just part of preparing for the worst and not getting caught with one's pants down......should China get a hair up their ass and want to get real uppity on the world stage.

It's about shoring up alliances.......showing solidarity........Don't think for one second the CCP didn't notice this development......and that was part of the plan.
We prepare for trouble = China feels threatened = China prepares for trouble = The west feels even more threatened = The west prepares even more for trouble = China feels even more threatened = China prepares for even more trouble = etc = etc = Welcome to Cold War II.

Honestly, I despair at humanity sometimes. The worst thing is that it doesn't have to be like this. Every conflict, every gun fired, every missile launched, every threat to mankind is a result of conscious decisions made by people who we supposedly choose to lead us. The world could be whatever we want it to be. The reason it's full of war and conflict, is because that's how those in power make it.

One day we'll move past all of this but we're still several generations away from that.

If we make it.
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Good stuff chaps, a nice alliance for the boys.. rally-ho!
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JUDGEDREDD wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:26 pm Good stuff chaps, a nice alliance for the boys.. rally-ho!
Well we had one of those things already. It's called ANZUS. It's just we kicked out those soft bellied kiwis and welcomed the poms in. :stir:
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xandreu wrote:One day we'll move past all of this but we're still several generations away from that.

If we make it.
They moved past all this in the 1930s. A madman named Hitler moved troops into the demilitarized zone. In the name of peace, ‘cooler heads’ did nothing. When he moved troops into a neighboring country, the great powers created a treaty to legitimize his invasion. And then declared it ‘Peace in Our Time.’

Bullying that is unchallenged will be met with more bullying. It’s human nature, and the nature of nations.

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nemo wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:36 am I can't imagine this will go down well with Australians.

The sub deal they currently have with France is already 10 years behind schedule and with big cost over-runs.

There is an obvious reason why this decision was taken.
Some explanations

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/09/t ... .html#more
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France is recalling its ambassadors in Australia and USA. Pissed off.

Also, there has been mention that countries local to Australia might be looking at the old white colonials and reconsidering which basket they put their eggs in
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orussey98 wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:44 pm
nemo wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:36 am I can't imagine this will go down well with Australians.

The sub deal they currently have with France is already 10 years behind schedule and with big cost over-runs.

There is an obvious reason why this decision was taken.
Some explanations

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/09/t ... .html#more
From the link:
Ironically the French conventionally driven Shortfin Barracuda design France offered is based on its own nuclear driven Barracuda class design. For Australia France had therefore to design a conventional power plant for a submarine that was originally designed, as all French subs are, to run on a nuclear reactor with low enriched uranium (LEU). It was quite obvious that this unusual conversion would run into difficulties and time delays.
Indeed, this very ironic. That the French had to modify an existing nuclear sub and retrofit diesel engines to suit Aus requirements only 5 yrs ago.

Then again maybe the French would not have shared the nuclear tech secrets as the US and UK say they will under AUUKUS?

Also, it seems a lot can change in 5 yrs as to the CCP's ambitions and bullying in the Sth China sea and Taiwan. And the trade sanctions against Aus goods would've influenced this decision I suspect.
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