Do you agree with mandatory vaccinations

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do you agree with mandatory Vaccinations?

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Yobbo wrote: Children have a greater natural immunity & it is not necessary to vaccinate them!
Clarification. The mortality rate among children, when it comes to covid is extremely low. After they've had contact with the virus and recovered, they'll have natural immunity.

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Equinix wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:43 pm
Yobbo wrote: Children have a greater natural immunity & it is not necessary to vaccinate them!
Clarification. The mortality rate among children, when it comes to covid is extremely low. After they've had contact with the virus and recovered, they'll have natural immunity.
Well slap me & call me Susan :shock:
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Yobbo wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:34 pm
Jerry Atrick wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:27 pm
Yobbo wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:25 pm
Jerry Atrick wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:19 pm
Bitte_Kein_Lexus wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:11 pm While I agree on principle, I think it gets murkier with children. What about them? Just a few years ago, not vaccinating a child for polio, the measles and so on would be considered child abuse. Now it seems like there's a backlash against even well established vaccines.
For children, their legal guardian can decide on their behalf.

I'm pro vaccine btw, but also am pro choice
Children have a greater natural immunity & it is not necessary to vaccinate them!
For covid, agree. But my kids have all the usual childhood jabs that are used for decades now with good reason
Yes but to generalize those reasons is not a good enough reason! It has already been stated on this forum that a natural immunity is more beneficial. And I would take the word of the gospel :hattip:
I agree in some ways as I didn't see the need to rush the vaccination of children when they were demonstrably not at risk. I think the main logic behind it was the general "save the children" attitude which some have (I have that Simpson's "Won't anyone please think of the children!" voice in my head), which is hard to counter-argue unless the vaccines are demonstrably dangerous (they're not). It's a bit like how the local government is now testing all school teachers before reopening schools, but not testing students. The logic is completely ridiculous, but I think they just want to be able to say "We ensure the safety of your children!" even though the whole reasoning is completely flawed (1-testing only teachers and not students is like testing one plane out of 20 that land 2-you'd have to test every 5 days for that to even be effective 3-the resources for weekly testing simply aren't there).
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Yobbo wrote: Well slap me & call me Susan :shock:
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violet wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:39 pm
hdgh29 wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:13 pm Most governments are coming to the conclusion that restrictions and lockdowns can only ever be a temporary solution, and the hope of a permanent return to personal freedom (socalising, exercising, bars, restaurants, sports events etc) relies on a fully vaccinated population - just like polio, TB or any number of problems that are under control. Given we are in a age of craziness, if we want to return to some sort of normality we cannot tolerate those who refuse voluntary vaccination, despite the fact they may have genuine fears and concerns. Mandatory? Does that mean compulsory? I effing hope so. Covid may always be with us, like the flu or like malaria, but if its under control we can get our lives back.
Refuseniks? take em out back and shoot em. Under rule 303.
BTW yes I have had two shots of Sinopharm. I dont know if it will really do any good, its more of a PR exercise, so I can say "I am safe, I've had the jab". Its a bit like playing the lottery. A lot of folks tell you its a waste of money, you will never win. But you stand even less chance of winning if you dont buy a ticket.
Hello.

You talk about a fully vaccinated population being the way out for polio - yep. A one off vaccination. When the entire population is vaccinated the disease can’t survive.

Then you talk about the flu. A flu vaccine does not stop the flu being in our environment, spread and caught. It requires regular jabs each year. Many never have a flu jab. I have only ever had two in my life for example.

It makes sense to make something like the polio vaccine mandatory. Or Yellow Fever for entry to some countries. But general consensus is that covid-19, like the flu, will never be eliminated. So, it isn’t logical to compare it to mandatory vaccines that enable a disease to be eliminated from a population.

It ought to be compared to a flu jab. Covid-19 would still exist spread and be caught even if we were 100% vaccinated worldwide, because the vaccines are not made to eliminate the virus, their design means they reduce rather than eliminate. Those who are vulnerable, and who choose to, have the flu jab. Those who are vulnerable, and who choose to, should have the covid jab.

It’s not logical to mandate the vaccines when they reduce rather than eliminate. If they produce a vaccine that eliminates, I’d say mandate it immediately worldwide.
You make a good point violet about comparing the covid vax with others for polio, yellow fever which are one off designed to eliminate the disease.

OTOH whilst the covid vax may not totally prevent transmission hence eliminate it, it does get into the 90s% apparently in saving lives. Plus, quite apart from the risk of dying, there is also the risk of serious illness ie 'long covid' which in itself is very debilitating and do people even recover from it?

I don't know if you're inferring covid is just the flu but the consensus is that covid is more infectious and a more serious illlness for many people https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/flu-vs-covid19.htm
The COVID-19 situation is changing rapidly. Since this disease is caused by a new virus, the vast majority of people do not yet have immunity to it. Doctors and scientists are working to estimate the mortality rate of COVID-19, but at present, it is thought to be substantially higher (possibly 10 times or more) than that of most strains of the flu.
Source: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/ ... vs-the-flu
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John Bingham wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:38 pm Nobody has ever had "natural immunity" to diseases like Polio or Smallpox.
Actually for smallpox they had, although it was cross immunity, and that's how they came on the idea of the vaccine.

"The basis for vaccination began in 1796 when the English doctor Edward Jenner noticed that milkmaids who had gotten cowpox were protected from smallpox."

Cross immunity in the early days.

https://www.cdc.gov/smallpox/history/history.html
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Clutch - not inferring covid is flu or as mild as flu. For some covid is nasty.
Just saying the vaccines work as per flu vaccine for something that, like flu, would still exist even if 100% vaccinated.

Yep totally agree covid vaccines reduce severity. So do flu vaccines.

I won’t go on as I’ll just be repeating my previous post and it’s time for me to watch SAS Australia.
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violet wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:39 pm Hello.

You talk about a fully vaccinated population being the way out for polio - yep. A one off vaccination. When the entire population is vaccinated the disease can’t survive.

Then you talk about the flu. A flu vaccine does not stop the flu being in our environment, spread and caught. It requires regular jabs each year. Many never have a flu jab. I have only ever had two in my life for example.

It makes sense to make something like the polio vaccine mandatory. Or Yellow Fever for entry to some countries. But general consensus is that covid-19, like the flu, will never be eliminated. So, it isn’t logical to compare it to mandatory vaccines that enable a disease to be eliminated from a population.

It ought to be compared to a flu jab. Covid-19 would still exist spread and be caught even if we were 100% vaccinated worldwide, because the vaccines are not made to eliminate the virus, their design means they reduce rather than eliminate. Those who are vulnerable, and who choose to, have the flu jab. Those who are vulnerable, and who choose to, should have the covid jab.

It’s not logical to mandate the vaccines when they reduce rather than eliminate. If they produce a vaccine that eliminates, I’d say mandate it immediately worldwide.
Looks like a reasoning designed for Covid which doesn't hold in the real word.

How about Hepatitis B or TB vaccines? Those vaccines do not offer a 100% protection, but the chances of contracting the disease decrease immensely after a vaccination. Some people need boosters for Hepatitis too.
In the Western world these vaccines with an efficacy of 70-100% have worked out to a near-elimination, and I am sure 99% of the people discussing vaccines here have had several hepatitis jabs without a 100% guarantee, and the smart ones residing in Cambodia had their TB shots as well i hope.

If these vaccines would have been treated as the covid vaccine with only 60-70% being vaccinated I am sure the near elimination would not have happened.
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China's draconian response seems to have served them well.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... try/china/

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hanno wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:27 pm Many vaccinations are already mandatory when travelling to certain regions: schoolkids in the US must get vaccinated, many countries require yellow fever shots.

Vaccination is NOT mandatory in the US for schoolkids and it is currently up to each school district/state and there are big fights going on

FYI:
i've never had a flu shot an haven't had any vaccines since 1980
am still here and have not been hospitalized for an infections ever

so the argument that hospitals shouldn't treat ur for covid if ur not vaccinated? fuck>>>

so turn away
aids patients
drunks
drug addicts
as well?

slippery slope ur heading towards
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