Do you agree with mandatory vaccinations
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Start with some gossip online, add a cup of irony, on glass of beer @ 5000r and there you have it
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I am sorry, I guessed the word "trained" would show the irony clear enough.
Apparently was wrong.
Apparently was wrong.
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Irony fails when it's this close to reality.Kammekor wrote:I am sorry, I guessed the word "trained" would show the irony clear enough.
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It's a sad state of affairs.
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No, you're on CEO.Kammekor wrote:It's a sad state of affairs.
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Re: Do you agree with mandatory vaccinations
This guy wants reasoning for the uptick of deaths which he says shows the vaccines don't work. OK, I'll have a go. Caveat: I'm not across the Singapore situation in any big way. So, having said that, I'll say this:
Firstly, he doesn't appear to have heard about Delta which is much more contagious than the earlier variants. I showed earlier that vaccine effectiveness to prevent infection for the US ones has gone from approx. 90% pre Delta to 50% post Delta. Hence why boosters are being considered now and new versions of vaccines are currently being developed for the new variants.
The 77% he claims are fully vaccinated, does that apply to adults only or includes children? If you include children over 12, you will find the % figure goes down quite a bit. So who knows, there could've been 30-40% of the population unvaccinated.
But the most important thing that he does not mention at all are other factors that can affect infection and the death rate. eg border closures, lockdowns, quarantines, social distancing, mask wearing and other restrictions. What was the extent of these at wave 1 vs wave 2? Did anything change? I recall that Singapore was quite tough initially but now they are starting to open up. We need to be clear we are comparing apples with apples. When he compares the number of deaths of wave 1 vs 2, he ignores Delta and the other gov't and community measures that were taken to prevent infection and how that might have changed over time.
TBH I think the guy is a bit of a goose with his superficial analysis as I've explained above. And I would ask him this...has he any idea what the outcome would have been in a Delta variant environment if Singapore had not vaccinated to the degree that it has? Not disputing the deaths have gone up but he hasn't taken any other factors into account and blamed it all on vaccine efficacy.
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In early 2020 there were quite a few articles written in major publications that suggested the natural course of a virus is to mutate towards being less deadly but more easily spread. Dead hosts are aren’t good for viruses to use to spread their genetic legacy. These articles are still up if you search for them.
Then we locked down, masked up, and vaxxed up. Is it surprising that the mutations that survived are more virulent and prone to evade the vax? Delta looks to be considerably more prone to transmission than the original according to figures from Wikipedia. More than double.
Then we locked down, masked up, and vaxxed up. Is it surprising that the mutations that survived are more virulent and prone to evade the vax? Delta looks to be considerably more prone to transmission than the original according to figures from Wikipedia. More than double.
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But also more prone leading to death?johnnywalker3 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:31 pm In early 2020 there were quite a few articles written in major publications that suggested the natural course of a virus is to mutate towards being less deadly but more easily spread. Dead hosts are aren’t good for viruses to use to spread their genetic legacy. These articles are still up if you search for them.
Then we locked down, masked up, and vaxxed up. Is it surprising that the mutations that survived are more virulent and prone to evade the vax? Delta looks to be considerably more prone to transmission than the original according to figures from Wikipedia. More than double.
AFAIK that's still open for discussion. It seems it's the higher infection rates leading to higher numbers.
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That calculus is complicated by the fact that the vaccine is reducing the rate of severe illness. And by the improvements in treatment since the onset of the virus. The early studies did point to the variant being more lethal.Kammekor wrote:But also more prone leading to death?johnnywalker3 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:31 pm In early 2020 there were quite a few articles written in major publications that suggested the natural course of a virus is to mutate towards being less deadly but more easily spread. Dead hosts are aren’t good for viruses to use to spread their genetic legacy. These articles are still up if you search for them.
Then we locked down, masked up, and vaxxed up. Is it surprising that the mutations that survived are more virulent and prone to evade the vax? Delta looks to be considerably more prone to transmission than the original according to figures from Wikipedia. More than double.
AFAIK that's still open for discussion. It seems it's the higher infection rates leading to higher numbers.
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