Do you agree with mandatory vaccinations
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Re: Do you agree with mandatory vaccinations
Yeah I'd agree with the last part. I don't remember "the media" other than FOX and conservative outlets ever being against vaccines . Talk about historical revisionism.newkidontheblock wrote:I did find it interesting that when it was ‘Trump’s vaccines’, the media was all against it. When Trump was no longer President, it was all about getting everyone vaccinated.
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Or maybe the conspiracy theorist in me is talking.
What there was in some liberal corners was first doubt that a vaccine could be released quickly enough and second skepticism that pandemic would be over merely because a vaccine was becoming available. For example:
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/covid-vac ... w-n1250312
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Hmmm, I'd say they definitely painted Trump's vaccine (which is now Biden's vaccine?) in a bad light, and ridiculed him for saying it would be ready so quickly.
60 Minutes calling a COVID-19 vaccine developed in 12 to 18 months 'fake news':
And here's Biden overselling the SAME VACCINE just recently, lol:
https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-bu ... e2ae9a0211
60 Minutes calling a COVID-19 vaccine developed in 12 to 18 months 'fake news':
And here's Biden overselling the SAME VACCINE just recently, lol:
https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-bu ... e2ae9a0211
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"Trump's vaccines"? I remember he was deluded enough to think he had invented them himself but nobody outside of his cult base believed that garbage.newkidontheblock wrote: ↑Sat Sep 25, 2021 6:49 am I did find it interesting that when it was ‘Trump’s vaccines’, the media was all against it. When Trump was no longer President, it was all about getting everyone vaccinated.
Unfortunately, big media is beholden to a single political party and message.
Science only being useful when it coincides with the political message.
People are no longer presented with all the evidence and different points and view so they can make educated opinions.
Or maybe the conspiracy theorist in me is talking.
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Scroll through this thread For a trip down memory lane on certain people’s views of the “Trump vaccine”.
There’s plenty of other examples of complete reversals in “the science” as proclaimed by it’s high priests in media and politics.
There’s plenty of other examples of complete reversals in “the science” as proclaimed by it’s high priests in media and politics.
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Yeah, that was some funny stuff.
Re: Do you agree with mandatory vaccinations
Please read this link and traslate from Italian to english
Very important
https://www.databaseitalia.it/il-panora ... eri-umani/
Very important
https://www.databaseitalia.it/il-panora ... eri-umani/
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https://www.ansa.it/english/news/scienc ... 5922b.htmlnemo wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:49 pm Italy makes COVID-19 ‘green pass’ mandatory for all workers
Thursday’s move by Prime Minister Mario Draghi’s coalition administration is aimed at persuading people to get inoculated and blunting infection rates in one of the countries worst hit by the pandemic.
Employees in public and private sectors will need to demonstrate proof of vaccination, a recent negative COVID-19 test or recovery from the virus in the previous six months to access workplaces.
“The Green Pass is an instrument of freedom, that will help us make workplaces safer,” Health Minister Roberto Speranza told a news conference.
“The second reason is to reinforce our vaccine campaign.”
The Green Pass requirement covers 14.7 million private sector workers and 3.2 million in state-supported jobs.
Until now, medical personnel were obliged to be vaccinated, while the Green Pass rule had been in place only for school employees.
Green Passes are also necessary for indoor leisure activities, such as dining, visiting the theatre or museum, and for long-distance domestic travel.
Penalties for non-compliance
Workers who fail to present valid health certificates will be suspended on no pay, but cannot be sacked, ministers told reporters after Draghi’s cabinet approved the measures.
People who ignore the decree and go to work regardless will face a fine of 600 to 1,500 euros ($705-$1,765). The sanction for employers will be 400-1,000 euros ($470-$1,175).
The measures are the first of their kind adopted by a major European economy for all categories of workers, making Italy a test case for the continent.
They will remain in effect as long as Italy is in a state of emergency. The state of emergency is currently set to run until December 31.
“Nothing like this has been done in Europe … we are putting ourselves in the forefront internationally,” said Public Administration Minister Renato Brunetta.
Brunetta added that the government expected an “enormous” acceleration of jabs simply by the announcement of the decree, so that much of its desired effect could be achieved before it actually comes into effect.
Italy has recorded the second-highest number of COVID-19 deaths in Europe after the United Kingdom, with a nationwide death toll of more than 130,000.
About 74 percent of its 60 million-strong population have had at least one COVID-19 shot and 68 percent are fully vaccinated, figures broadly in line with most other European Union countries.
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clutchcargo wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:46 pmShe does indeed say that 'vaccinated people who get a Covid-19 breakthrough infection can transmit the virus' as per @0.51 here:ego bibere nimis wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:40 am... Really?......Maybe spend a millisecond sourcing facts before making comment.orichá wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:15 amAgain, yet one more example of faulty reasoning based on rumor/hearsay, plus your personal opinion, and a total absence of logic.johnnywalker3 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:26 am The group responsibility to lower transmission of the virus is a powerful argument for making it mandatory. The problem is that the vaccine is not stopping transmission. Why do you think they are still recommending wearing a mask after the shots? There is a recent study that seems to indicate that the vaccine is not even reducing transmission and possibly increasing it as infected people with the vax are less symptomatic and more likely to go out while infected. Ironically if that data holds it should be the unvaccinated afraid of the vaxxed instead.
It is totally incorrect and false to state, "that the vaccine is not stopping transmission"...
Clearly, you have no clue what you are talking about. You are playing with idle fancies that have nothing to do with reality...
In fact, it is the slow and insufficient uptake of vaccines in America, especially, and their absence in places like Africa and Russia, that will continue to spread transmissions. This is the scientific reality on the ground. All else is hearsay and false opinion.
"Fully vaccinated people who get a Covid-19 breakthrough infection can transmit the virus, US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said Thursday.
"Our vaccines are working exceptionally well," Walensky told CNN's Wolf Blitzer. "They continue to work well for Delta, with regard to severe illness and death -- they prevent it. But what they can't do anymore is prevent transmission."That's why the CDC changed its guidance last week and is now recommending even vaccinated people wear masks indoors again, Walensky said.
However, note she said 'can' coz it's clear now vaccines won't prevent infection 100% of the time. In regard to this, I recall reading that studies show prevention of infection is approx. 50% for the Delta variant. So I dug a bit further and found this Forbes article (my bolding):
CDC Director Says Coronavirus Vaccines Less Effective For Delta But Still Prevent Severe Infection
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsole ... 2b077e7721
Key Facts:
Citing three studies published in CDC’s latest Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, Walensky said at a White House briefing that vaccine effectiveness has been found to fall over time.
A National Healthcare Safety Network study found vaccines’ effectiveness in preventing infection for nursing home residents – among those most vulnerable to the virus – fell from 75% to 53% between March and July, Walensky said, as the delta variant became more widespread
Walensky also cited a Mayo Clinic study that has yet to be peer reviewed found that effectiveness of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine fell from 76% in January to 42% in July, while the effectiveness of the Moderna vaccine declined from 86% to 76% over the same span.
Walensky also cited an Arizona HEROES/RECOVER study that shows vaccines that are 92% effective against the original strain of the virus are just 64% effective against delta.
She says it here in this vid although only refers to the 3rd study @4.50:
So effectiveness in preventing infection dropped to 53%, 42% and 64% due to Delta in those 3 studies. So that's still approx. 50% reduction in preventing the spread of Delta. Or in other words, of vaccinated people that are exposed to the virus, only 50% may be infected such that they could possibly infect someone else.. It's a fallacy therefore to think that vaccinated people can spread the virus as much as the unvaccinated.
I don't understand what you are saying there. Having said that I'm happy to be corrected if I misread anything above re the 3 studies mentioned.nerdlinger wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 11:41 pm You’ve misread an important detail in that article, specifically that it’s 50% of people who got a breakthrough infection. You still need to multiply that out with the efficacy of the vaccine itself - so for the mRNA jabs we’re talking something like 50% of 5-8%. And even those are mostly going to be filtered out with PCR testing.
The Forbes article I linked was just a very brief summary so I searched for more information at the source. There's a much longer read on this here:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2 ... ctiveness/
Spoiler:
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Updates to COVID-19 Epidemiology and COVID-19 Vaccines
The relevant parts re Vaccine Effectiveness (VE) starts at page 13. The key charts are:
In summary: these studies show that vaccinated people are protected from infection by 50% (approx. average of US vaccines). Therefore, the 50% of those vaccinated people that are NOT infected cannot pass it on to other people.
NB this in context of US vaccines and does not include Chinese vaccines or AZ.
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I stated early in the piece, I am for mandatory inoculation. I also don't like being told what to do, unless requested.
It is interesting talking to Australian colleagues, friends, peers. People basically, of all walks of Oz life. They seem to be doing it tougher than other contries, partly because of the Aussie way. China will do as they are ordered.
Aussie is now a Nanny state. Communism comes up a lot on the topic. I agree with the NSWelshmen and women, that they have been tortured, in order to reach the 70% double-jabbed mark.
Melbourne has endured the world's longest lockdown. Today is day 236.
October 26th is the target date for 70 per cent fully vaccinated.
Nailing that goal, will mean Melbourne's lockdown will be 267 days total.
Failing that goal, will mean Melbourne's lockdown days will be total chaos.
The cops are reported as saying they do not like their job currently, because they don't agree with what they are enforcing.
Mandatory by torture does not sit well with me.
Mandatory, or no access (without exemption), was about the limit.
So, due to these idiots in charge, I change my vote.
It is interesting talking to Australian colleagues, friends, peers. People basically, of all walks of Oz life. They seem to be doing it tougher than other contries, partly because of the Aussie way. China will do as they are ordered.
Aussie is now a Nanny state. Communism comes up a lot on the topic. I agree with the NSWelshmen and women, that they have been tortured, in order to reach the 70% double-jabbed mark.
Melbourne has endured the world's longest lockdown. Today is day 236.
October 26th is the target date for 70 per cent fully vaccinated.
Nailing that goal, will mean Melbourne's lockdown will be 267 days total.
Failing that goal, will mean Melbourne's lockdown days will be total chaos.
The cops are reported as saying they do not like their job currently, because they don't agree with what they are enforcing.
Mandatory by torture does not sit well with me.
Mandatory, or no access (without exemption), was about the limit.
So, due to these idiots in charge, I change my vote.
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"I would not trust Donald Trump, it would have to be a credible source of information that talks about the efficacy and reliability. I will not take his word for it, he wants us to inject bleach."
"If the public health professionals, Dr Fauci, if the doctors tell us we should take it I'll be the first in line to take it, absolutely. If Donald Trump tells us, I'm not taking it"
Looking at the exact quotes seems to portray her in a positive light, does it not? Trump, and Biden and Harris for that matter, are not medical professionals and people should be relying on doctors/science in regards to the vaccine.
And how disingenuous is that first video? "Kalama Harris basically said she would not take a vaccine that was released under president Trumps administration." And then they immediately play a quote that she said she would take a vaccine if recommended by credible sources. "I will listen to doctors, not Trump" is not the same as "I am not taking the vaccine."
People don't actually read or listen to the quotes to make their own judgments. Rather, the 10 seconds false narrative "basically said" is what gets cemented in people's minds.
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