General Mackevili wrote:

JBTrain wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 5:53 pm You are correct, you don't apparently know what vaccination is for (seriously reducing risk of hospitalization and risk you'll transmit to others). Maybe read up on that for a start before throwing around the fascist card.

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I just have to point out that even the CDC's definition of 'VACCINATION' has recently changed...

I think it's fair to say that if you asked people 2 years ago, 'what is a vaccine?' most people would say it prevents you from catching something/makes you immune to something, but now they've changed the definition of vaccine to more closely match the characteristics of the amazing COVID-19 vaccine.

The CDC used to say a vaccine would give you 'immunity,' now vaccines are just supposed to give you 'protection.'

I've already shown how they've recently changed the definition for 'herd immunity,' and now they've changed the definition for a vaccine. (It's also interesting how we used to hear about 'herd immunity' all the time and how that was the goal, but we don't hear hardly anything about that anymore, do we?)

Is it really that odd that some people are using critical thinking and coming to the conclusion that maybe it's been a bit more rushed than they like to admit, especially for something they currently estimate to have maybe a 0.25% fatality rate?

I guess if they change the definitions of words we've been using to now mean something else, the 'science' can never be wrong.

Would you at least agree that they oversold us on what we could expect from these vaccines? We weren't originally told they will start to be 'less' effective after 6 months, but now we're being told that. Hell, the J & J vaccine is now suggesting BOOSTER shots after a mere 2 months to be properly 'protected.'

As someone said, and I'm just repeating, 'it's now a pandemic of the unvaccinated.' If that's correct, it seems fair to me. You choose not to get the vaccine, you're less 'protected' from it.

What about all the unvaccinated taking up hospital beds, you say? Well, using that logic, should we also start weighing people when they arrive at hospitals, and give heathy top priority and put the obese on the 'waiting list'?

Let's all just hope they haven't also changed the definitions for 'SAFE' and 'EFFECTIVE' as well, at least for the sake of our children.



Critical thinking should not be controversial.

IraHayes wrote:I posted this as it's own thread 3 weeks ago but it is very apt here

"You’re struggling to understand where all this vaccine hesitancy comes from. Let me help you."
BY KONSTANTIN KISIN

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news ... ntin-kisin

Imagine you’re a normal person. The year is 2016. Rightly or wrongly, you believe most of what you see in the media. You believe polls are broadly reflective of public opinion. You believe doctors and scientists are trustworthy and independent. You’re a decent, reasonable person who follows the rules and trusts the authorities.

phuketrichard wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:03 am

Anchor Moy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:57 pm Clearing up what I mean by "mandatory" Covid vaccines.

I voted yes for "mandatory" vaccines that will protect the general population, and in particular those most exposed to the virus such as health workers, so that we can get on with our lives, work, travel etc.
But I want to say that, (this should go without saying, but...) OF COURSE ,if you cannot be vaccinated, because you are allergic or pregnant or if you have a specific health condition, then you should not be vaccinated and you should not be shamed for that.

Summary: Yes I voted for mandatory vaccinations for people to protect themselves and protect us all, but, no, I do not want anyone to be vaccinated by force.
(But, I do want to know if I'm mixing with unvaccinated people or those who really don't give a shit, so I can stay clear.)
I can understand that some vaccinated workers may not want to work with unvaccinated workers, some customers also. Then what do you do ?

so i understand, we should put a star on all those unvaccinated so they can readily be identified, correct?
and the government should be the ones to Tell us to protect ourselves ( sorta like it mandatory in most places to wear a helmet or face a fine- unless it interferes with ur hairstyle if ur a sikh?)

Mandatory vaccinations mean just that, people are required to have the shot

The government is not in the business to tell me what i should or should not do with my body

we should put a star on all those unvaccinated

phuketrichard wrote:

Anchor Moy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:57 pm Clearing up what I mean by "mandatory" Covid vaccines.

I voted yes for "mandatory" vaccines that will protect the general population, and in particular those most exposed to the virus such as health workers, so that we can get on with our lives, work, travel etc.
But I want to say that, (this should go without saying, but...) OF COURSE ,if you cannot be vaccinated, because you are allergic or pregnant or if you have a specific health condition, then you should not be vaccinated and you should not be shamed for that.

Summary: Yes I voted for mandatory vaccinations for people to protect themselves and protect us all, but, no, I do not want anyone to be vaccinated by force.
(But, I do want to know if I'm mixing with unvaccinated people or those who really don't give a shit, so I can stay clear.)
I can understand that some vaccinated workers may not want to work with unvaccinated workers, some customers also. Then what do you do ?

so i understand, we should put a star on all those unvaccinated so they can readily be identified, correct?
and the government should be the ones to Tell us to protect ourselves ( sorta like it mandatory in most places to wear a helmet or face a fine- unless it interferes with ur hairstyle if ur a sikh?)

Mandatory vaccinations mean just that, people are required to have the shot

The government is not in the business to tell me what i should or should not do with my body