Phnom Penh is now also the most vaccinated capital city in the world
Re: PP is now also the most vaccinated capital city in the world
I don't know. The fact a lot of people get a pretty strong response when they get an AZ booster after two SINO-shots indicate action from the immune system in the body I think. Quite some people I know felt pretty feverish after the AZ booster. Anecdotal, I know, but still .nerdlinger wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 8:11 pmMy amateur doctor reasoning on why it might not be the case is that it’s not the vaccine itself that kills the coronavirus, it’s your immune system’s response to the vaccine. So, it doesn’t necessarily follow that two different vaccines based on the same coronavirus would breed two unique and complementary sets of antibodies in the same person.timmydownawell wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 6:06 pm
When you say "Intuitively it feels like mixing shots would give better protection from variants" then yes, that is how I feel, rightly or wrongly.
(Caution: all the above may be bollocks and probably is)
About SINOvac, my wife complained about some loss of taste and smell after the first jab so I guess it wasn't just salty water they injected
Re: Phnom Penh is now also the most vaccinated capital city in the world
Statistics from Cambodia. ✓
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I’m given to understand that the severity of symptoms in a vaccine reaction is pretty much unrelated to the degree of protection offered.Kammekor wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 8:19 pmI don't know. The fact a lot of people get a pretty strong response when they get an AZ booster after two SINO-shots indicate action from the immune system in the body I think. Quite some people I know felt pretty feverish after the AZ booster. Anecdotal, I know, but still .nerdlinger wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 8:11 pmMy amateur doctor reasoning on why it might not be the case is that it’s not the vaccine itself that kills the coronavirus, it’s your immune system’s response to the vaccine. So, it doesn’t necessarily follow that two different vaccines based on the same coronavirus would breed two unique and complementary sets of antibodies in the same person.timmydownawell wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 6:06 pm
When you say "Intuitively it feels like mixing shots would give better protection from variants" then yes, that is how I feel, rightly or wrongly.
(Caution: all the above may be bollocks and probably is)
About SINOvac, my wife complained about some loss of taste and smell after the first jab so I guess it wasn't just salty water they injected
Re: Phnom Penh is now also the most vaccinated capital city in the world
As of yesterday the Vax rate was .80 unvaxxed. But the guv put in a mandatory blue card show to enter any biz last Friday. How much of a "higher" Vax rate is acceptable for you Stern? 110-150% of 100% of the population?
This is more about someone's ego and status/control, face saving now and nothing more. First it was the PP mayor on OTT restrictions. Then the governor stepped in so as not to be outdone to make his high water wall mark in the pissin contest. Everyone vaxxed but still have to mask up and social distance?
This is more about someone's ego and status/control, face saving now and nothing more. First it was the PP mayor on OTT restrictions. Then the governor stepped in so as not to be outdone to make his high water wall mark in the pissin contest. Everyone vaxxed but still have to mask up and social distance?
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Re: Phnom Penh is now also the most vaccinated capital city in the world
I don't think there is any mayor, just a governor?LionelBurns wrote: ↑Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:33 am First it was the PP mayor on OTT restrictions. Then the governor stepped in so as not to be outdone to make his high water wall mark in the pissin contest.
Silence, exile, and cunning.
Re: PP is now also the most vaccinated capital city in the world
I just came across this overview from Chile; they have used three different boosters (AZ, Pfizer, SInovac) after two Coronvac (Sinovac) jabs.clutchcargo wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 5:08 pmI'm not trying to be argumentative, but honestly I'm not clear what the way of the authorities is. On the one hand, you have HE announcing Sinovac should be mixed with AZ, yet OTOH you have the PP MOH progressing with the Sinovac booster rollout to-day and the 30th. So together with the National Pedriatic and Preah Ang Doung Hospitals issuing AZ, you've got 2 rollouts running in tandem with no guidance on which one individuals should choose. However, it seems they may not have enough of the AZ booster so it'll be a case of reverting to the Sinovac booster.timmydownawell wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 4:26 pmWell obviously the authorities here have decided to go this way. They're reserving what's left of the AZ for third shots only. I mean, if you'd prefer a third Sinovac instead, just wait a month or two longer for them to run out of AZ. They got in 6m more doses of Sinovac so I'm not sure what that's for if not third shots.clutchcargo wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 3:44 pmI looked specifically for studies on the effects of mixing Sinovac and another vaccine booster. Turkey and Thailand have/are doing that.timmydownawell wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 2:26 pmI believe getting AZ would improve your overall protection because it's a different type of vaccine. i.e you'd have a broader protection than Sinovac alone. If you think back several months they were trialling mix'n'match shots for that exact reason. Early trials of one AZ plus one Pfizer were quite promising.clutchcargo wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 1:11 pm ^^
Might have got buried in another thread, but there's also info here for getting a Sinovac booster post516297.html#p516297
Which raises the question: If one has already had 2 Sinovac shots, should they get another Sinovac booster or an AZ booster?
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-ea ... 021-05-24/
Some results from Turkey suggests 3 shots of Sinovac are better than mixing Sinovac/Pfizer ie 3 doses of inactive vaccines, rather than in those who received two doses of inactive vaccines and one booster shot of an mRNA vaccine (the rest of the article is pay walled). As AZ is an inactive vaccine, maybe that's OK too?
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coron ... h-minister
There seems to be no study results yet on mixing Sinovac and AZ even though the governments of Turkey, Thailand and Cambodia say it's OK to do. Plus in some countries AZ is not recommended for young people.
Maybe it's no big deal and people can just choose.. For me personally tho, to make a decision which way to go, I would have liked to see some reports or results of mixing Sinovac and AZ (other than politicians saying it's OK). Maybe I'm being overly cautious I dunno.
It isn't very detailed but based on data from a lot of ppl.
Early estimates of the effectiveness of booster shots in Chile:
"The three vaccines used as a booster notably increased the effectiveness against Covid-19 and related hospitalizations."
https://www.minsal.cl/wp-content/upload ... ZO_ENG.pdf
I am not sure of what to make of the percentages there; what is the baseline?
But as I understand it, anyone of the three appears to make quite a difference.
Re: Phnom Penh is now also the most vaccinated capital city in the world
John, I'm just going off the info I read on Kymer Times when the bar/alcohol ban 1st went into effect.
Re: Phnom Penh is now also the most vaccinated capital city in the world
Yongchi: Look up/googl adenovirus, adenovirus vaccines and then the J&J.
"An adenovirus vaccine is a vaccine against adenovirus infection. It was used by the United States military from 1971 to 1999, but was discontinued when the only manufacturer stopped production" I would much rather take a chance on a vaccine that's been around for a long time than something new that doesn't have a track record yet. The bioNtec is being tried for Covid-19 only and therefore hasn't been tested except on humans. There is a wealth of diseases that adenovirus vaccines have been used on including TB, HIV, Tetanus, diphtheria, measles, mumps, the poxes, etc. The only viruses that need boosters are Tetanus and diphtheria. Every 10 years for Tetanus. I've been way down the rabbit hole on this one.
"An adenovirus vaccine is a vaccine against adenovirus infection. It was used by the United States military from 1971 to 1999, but was discontinued when the only manufacturer stopped production" I would much rather take a chance on a vaccine that's been around for a long time than something new that doesn't have a track record yet. The bioNtec is being tried for Covid-19 only and therefore hasn't been tested except on humans. There is a wealth of diseases that adenovirus vaccines have been used on including TB, HIV, Tetanus, diphtheria, measles, mumps, the poxes, etc. The only viruses that need boosters are Tetanus and diphtheria. Every 10 years for Tetanus. I've been way down the rabbit hole on this one.
Re: Phnom Penh is now also the most vaccinated capital city in the world
There's no HIV vaccine, tetanus is a bacterial infection, tuberculosis is a bacterial infection, so is diphtheria.LionelBurns wrote: ↑Tue Oct 12, 2021 2:06 pm Yongchi: Look up/googl adenovirus, adenovirus vaccines and then the J&J.
"An adenovirus vaccine is a vaccine against adenovirus infection. It was used by the United States military from 1971 to 1999, but was discontinued when the only manufacturer stopped production" I would much rather take a chance on a vaccine that's been around for a long time than something new that doesn't have a track record yet. The bioNtec is being tried for Covid-19 only and therefore hasn't been tested except on humans. There is a wealth of diseases that adenovirus vaccines have been used on including TB, HIV, Tetanus, diphtheria, measles, mumps, the poxes, etc. The only viruses that need boosters are Tetanus and diphtheria. Every 10 years for Tetanus. I've been way down the rabbit hole on this one.
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Thanks for that yongchi. If the figures are right, the AZ booster seems the best on both infection and hospitalisation.yongchi wrote: ↑Tue Oct 12, 2021 1:01 pmI just came across this overview from Chile; they have used three different boosters (AZ, Pfizer, SInovac) after two Coronvac (Sinovac) jabs.clutchcargo wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 5:08 pmI'm not trying to be argumentative, but honestly I'm not clear what the way of the authorities is. On the one hand, you have HE announcing Sinovac should be mixed with AZ, yet OTOH you have the PP MOH progressing with the Sinovac booster rollout to-day and the 30th. So together with the National Pedriatic and Preah Ang Doung Hospitals issuing AZ, you've got 2 rollouts running in tandem with no guidance on which one individuals should choose. However, it seems they may not have enough of the AZ booster so it'll be a case of reverting to the Sinovac booster.timmydownawell wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 4:26 pmWell obviously the authorities here have decided to go this way. They're reserving what's left of the AZ for third shots only. I mean, if you'd prefer a third Sinovac instead, just wait a month or two longer for them to run out of AZ. They got in 6m more doses of Sinovac so I'm not sure what that's for if not third shots.clutchcargo wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 3:44 pmI looked specifically for studies on the effects of mixing Sinovac and another vaccine booster. Turkey and Thailand have/are doing that.timmydownawell wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 2:26 pm
I believe getting AZ would improve your overall protection because it's a different type of vaccine. i.e you'd have a broader protection than Sinovac alone. If you think back several months they were trialling mix'n'match shots for that exact reason. Early trials of one AZ plus one Pfizer were quite promising.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-ea ... 021-05-24/
Some results from Turkey suggests 3 shots of Sinovac are better than mixing Sinovac/Pfizer ie 3 doses of inactive vaccines, rather than in those who received two doses of inactive vaccines and one booster shot of an mRNA vaccine (the rest of the article is pay walled). As AZ is an inactive vaccine, maybe that's OK too?
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coron ... h-minister
There seems to be no study results yet on mixing Sinovac and AZ even though the governments of Turkey, Thailand and Cambodia say it's OK to do. Plus in some countries AZ is not recommended for young people.
Maybe it's no big deal and people can just choose.. For me personally tho, to make a decision which way to go, I would have liked to see some reports or results of mixing Sinovac and AZ (other than politicians saying it's OK). Maybe I'm being overly cautious I dunno.
It isn't very detailed but based on data from a lot of ppl.
Early estimates of the effectiveness of booster shots in Chile:
"The three vaccines used as a booster notably increased the effectiveness against Covid-19 and related hospitalizations."
https://www.minsal.cl/wp-content/upload ... ZO_ENG.pdf
I am not sure of what to make of the percentages there; what is the baseline?
But as I understand it, anyone of the three appears to make quite a difference.
Also, came across this today from WHO FWIW saying people over 60 who have had 2 shots of the chinese vaccines should get a booster....hardly a revelation there!
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/ ... 58z57.html
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