Critics round on Joe Biden as US pulls out of Afghanistan

Yeah, that place out 'there'. Anything not really Cambodia related should go here.
User avatar
Jerry Atrick
Expatriate
Posts: 5453
Joined: Sat May 17, 2014 4:19 pm
Reputation: 3064
Central African Republic

Critics round on Joe Biden as US pulls out of Afghanistan

Post by Jerry Atrick »

President is accused of abandoning the country to the Taliban’s savage advance

Joe Biden campaigned on a promise to end America’s longest war, but his presidency risks being remembered instead for presiding over the violent overthrow of Afghanistan’s government by the Taliban.

Republicans have sought to capitalise on what is emerging as the biggest setback of Biden’s presidency with an eye on elections next year in which control of Congress is at stake.

“President Biden’s decisions have us hurtling toward an even worse sequel to the humiliating fall of Saigon in 1975,” said Mitch McConnell, the Senate’s top Republican, on Thursday. McConnell said the Taliban’s advance raised the spectre of Islamists celebrating the 20th anniversary of September 11 by “burning down our Embassy in Kabul”.

Fellow Republican Lindsey Graham tweeted a warning: “It will only be a matter of time before our homeland is again threatened from Afghanistan.”

The cover of The New York Post, a conservative tabloid, put it more simply: “Biden’s Saigon,” ran the headline. “We abandon women to Taliban savagery.”


Biden, who has long opposed nation-building missions and the troop surge ordered under the Obama administration, has said US soldiers risked being attacked if they stayed beyond the deadline negotiated under former president Donald Trump.

A Democratic aide said many Republicans who supported drawdown under the Trump administration were now simply playing politics and “trying to jam up the president”.

US officials argue the fall of Kabul could still be averted and are holding talks with the Taliban in Doha, despite rapidly worsening assessments from security officials.

“The president is firmly focused on how we can continue to execute an orderly drawdown and protect our men and women serving in Afghanistan,” said Jen Psaki, White House press secretary. “He does not regret his decision.”

So far, Biden appears not to have haemorrhaged domestic political support from his own side over the disaster. Although some pro-national security Democrats initially appeared to break ranks, with New Hampshire senator Jeanne Shaheen saying she was “very disappointed” by the withdrawal, none of her colleagues have been publicly critical this past week.

One state department official deleted a Friday morning tweet saying she woke up with a “heavy heart, thinking about all the Afghan women and girls I worked with during my time in Kabul”. She said the US was powerless to protect them and that they stood to lose everything. The state department told the Financial Times she deleted the tweet “on her own volition”.

The Washington Post spoke for many left-leaning critics when it ran an op-ed on Thursday entitled: “Afghan lives ruined or lost will be part of Biden’s legacy.”

Critics have taken aim at the administration over the speed of its withdrawal, and over its refusal to use the word “evacuation” to describe the removal of embassy staff under the protection of infantry battalions that officials say could involve multiple flights a day.

They also say the US risks being shown to be an unreliable ally, despite Biden’s boast that “America is back”.

“History may hold president Joe Biden and his administration personally responsible if the worst comes to pass,” John Allen, former commander of US forces in Afghanistan, said in an opinion piece on Friday.
How the 20-year war changed Afghanistan | FT Film

Human rights defenders, including some in the Biden administration, have warned Taliban atrocities could amount to war crimes and that women and girls face a horrific fate under the return of ultraconservative Islamist rule should the Taliban take control.

t’s easy to wonder if history will blame the US for the human rights and humanitarian disaster there,” said Andrea Prasow at Human Rights Watch. She added that many parties were to blame, but that the US had committed human rights abuses of its own and had rarely put the interests of the Afghan people first.

Security experts also argue that a Taliban victory could enable the very jihadi threat against the US that the 2001 American invasion was intended to head off.

The Biden administration, meanwhile, has blamed the Trump administration for tying its hands, the Afghan security forces for failing to fight, and the Taliban for failing to negotiate.

Biden cited the near-collapse of al-Qaeda, which conducted the September 11 attacks, for his decision to withdraw. But although a UN report in June said al-Qaeda numbers had dropped to a maximum of 500, it said the group retained extensive ties with the Taliban and was present in 15 Afghan provinces.

f the Taliban does have success they’re likely to have al-Qaeda operating with them,” a US official told the FT.

Experts say the jihadi threat would most immediately be felt in the region, in countries including Pakistan and India, before al-Qaeda or the local branch of Isis — sworn enemies of the Taliban who have a foothold in eastern Afghanistan — could set their sights on the US.

“There will be a backlash coming to Pakistan,” said Hasan Askari Rizvi, a political scientist in Lahore. “If there is a Taliban government in Kabul, that will embolden hardline Islamic groups in Pakistan.”

Officials in India also fear the Taliban’s success could increase militant activity in Kashmir, as happened when the Taliban previously ruled Afghanistan in the late-1990s.

Officials believe Biden’s policy of withdrawal helped propel him to victory in 2020, and domestic support for his decision to pull out after more than 2,400 US deaths and 20,000 wounded still runs high.

Bipartisan public support has tapered slightly as the Taliban has gained in strength. Polling from Politico-Morning Consult pored over by the White House showed support for his decision was down to 59 per cent last month from 69 per cent in April.
Recommended


Taliban victories, a humiliating exit, further atrocities and the fall of Kabul could further downgrade that support. And pollsters say a terrorist attack on US soil could change everything.

“The 2024 re-elect for Joe Biden could hinge on whether or not the
Taliban moves aggressively against the US during that time,” said
David Paleologos, director of the Suffolk University Political Research Center, adding his approval rating among independents was on the wane.

Meanwhile, there is still strong bipartisan opposition to overseas interventions.

“Afghanistan is something that is going to have a lot of salience for elites,” said Sean McElwee from Democratic pollster Data for Progress. “But it is not going to be a sort of high priority for your average voter.”

Additional reporting by Farhan Bokhari in Islamabad

Follow @KatrinaManson on Twitter

Get alerts on Afghanistan when a new story is published
Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2021. All rights reserved.



https://www.ft.com/content/f163b68f-c93 ... de2060d97e
User avatar
Doc67
Expatriate
Posts: 8938
Joined: Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:16 am
Reputation: 8219
Location: PHNOM PENH
Great Britain

Re: Critics round on Joe Biden as US pulls out of Afghanistan

Post by Doc67 »

The fact he campaigned to get out of Afghanistan means he is entitled to do it; he has an electorate mandate for it. What's the current public opinion polls on this decision? This sounds like a battle being fought only in Washington, with the general public being quite happy about it, all things considered.

The fact that Afghanistan is now being overrun by a bunch of gangsters and warlords out of the middle ages just goes to show what a waste of lives and money the whole matter was. Bin Laden was gone within a month of the first US boots hitting the sand, and lived in various cities in Pakistan while his version of Southfork was being constructed right under the noses of the Pakistani military intelligence (ISI) in Abbottabad, and also the home of the Pakistani Military Academy. Three of his wives, eight of his children and five of his grandchildren were with him in that house!

Pakistan are pro-Chinese, nuked up and with a history of promiscuity of it's nuclear technology to the highest bidder. They are a near bankrupt, near failed state, with religious extremists at all levels of government and the military. This is why the U.S. didn't breathe a word to Pakistan before the raid. They knew he would be tipped off and flee.

Afghanistan poses no threat to the United States; Pakistan do.

This is a good read:
https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/paki ... bin-laden/
Last edited by Doc67 on Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:31 am, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
Alex
Expatriate
Posts: 2644
Joined: Thu May 15, 2014 2:09 am
Reputation: 2368
Location: Bangkok
United States of America

Re: Critics round on Joe Biden as US pulls out of Afghanistan

Post by Alex »

That Afghanistan mess escalated quickly. That being said, let them handle it by themselves. And next time that lovely place is being used as a breeding ground or retreat for international terrorists, just nuke it.
User avatar
Yobbo
Expatriate
Posts: 1858
Joined: Mon Oct 20, 2014 8:21 am
Reputation: 894
Australia

Re: Critics round on Joe Biden as US pulls out of Afghanistan

Post by Yobbo »

Image
User avatar
Chuck Borris
Expatriate
Posts: 787
Joined: Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:42 pm
Reputation: 495
Cambodia

Re: Critics round on Joe Biden as US pulls out of Afghanistan

Post by Chuck Borris »

"They said Afghanistan was Russia's Vietnam.
Afghanistan is now America's Afghanistan.
" -- Vladimir Putin.
Don"t Eat The Yellow Snow.
User avatar
Big Daikon
Expatriate
Posts: 3189
Joined: Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:07 am
Reputation: 2605
United States of America

Re: Critics round on Joe Biden as US pulls out of Afghanistan

Post by Big Daikon »

Two polls cited in link. 62 and 58% approve of the withdrawal.
https://www.thechicagocouncil.org/comme ... fghanistan

I will include myself in that majority. Our involvement over there led to lots of deaths and injuries. Including my little cousin who suffered a non-combat injury while serving in Afghanistan, causing him to lose 2-3 years of his life.
User avatar
hburns
Expatriate
Posts: 422
Joined: Fri Apr 06, 2018 5:18 am
Reputation: 324
Togo

Re: Critics round on Joe Biden as US pulls out of Afghanistan

Post by hburns »

Why has this become Biden's fault? Wasn't it Trump's administration that made the deal with the Taliban which guaranteed the withdrawal?
Oumedc
Expatriate
Posts: 123
Joined: Sun Jun 21, 2020 11:59 pm
Reputation: 52

Re: Critics round on Joe Biden as US pulls out of Afghanistan

Post by Oumedc »

Yobbo wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:13 am Image
Spot on I agree it's going to be the same
User avatar
sigmoid
Expatriate
Posts: 1242
Joined: Fri May 16, 2014 3:53 pm
Reputation: 455
Cambodia

Re: Critics round on Joe Biden as US pulls out of Afghanistan

Post by sigmoid »

Who would be dumb enough to think this Biden guy is making a single decision regarding anything?

Your "leaders" are ALL puppets.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
I may be going to hell in a bucket,
but at least I'm enjoying the ride.
Uncle-V
Expatriate
Posts: 113
Joined: Sat Aug 07, 2021 3:38 pm
Reputation: 48
Croatia

Re: Critics round on Joe Biden as US pulls out of Afghanistan

Post by Uncle-V »

While I expected the Taliban to win it's amazing how quickly this is happening. The pro-Soviet government at least held on for a few years after the Soviets withdrew in 1989 and only collapsed in 1992 after the collapse of the USSR when Russia cut off all financial and military.

This is all happening even with the US continuing to provide military and financial aid to the authorities. Just goes to show what an utter shit show this has been.
Post Reply Previous topicNext topic
  • Similar Topics
    Replies
    Views
    Last post

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 570 guests