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atst wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 3:11 am Why is it that every reporter interviewing people representing the Taliban are female reporters
Because it's even better than farting in their face.
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The Taliban is having fun on Twitter.
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An "interesting" piece from Washington Babylon about a man who has switched sides all his life
Aug 23

Great News! “CIA’s Favorite Terrorist” Knee-Deep in Taliban Power Grab

“Probably the most fanatic Islamic fundamentalist group in the world is led by Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, the terrorist extremist who has been the CIA favorite and prime recipient of the $3.3 billion in official US aid given to the Afghan rebels,” Noam Chomsky wrote shortly after the first World Trade Center bombing in 1993. Chomsky linked Hekmatyar to the bombing. “As publicly recognized, those charged and suspected are directly involved with the CIA-run operations in Afghanistan, financed by the US and Saudi Arabia, where they learned their trade,” he wrote. “In particular, Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, widely reported to be the guru of the group, is considered by specialists to have been close to Hekmatyar, the CIA’s favorite terrorist and Islamic fundamentalist fanatic.”

But don’t take Chomsky’s word for it. “Hezb-e-Islami, or Party of Islam, is a political and paramilitary organization in Afghanistan founded in 1976 by former Afghan prime minister Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, who has been prominent in various Afghan conflicts since the late 1970s,” wrote the Office of the Director of National Intelligence a few years ago. “Hezb-e Islami Gulbuddin is an offshoot of that original Hezb-e-Islami, and is a virulently anti-Western insurgent group whose goal is to replace the Western-backed Afghan Government with an Islamic state rooted in sharia in line with Hekmatyar’s vision of a Pashtun-dominated Afghanistan.”


Long story short. After the Soviet Union invaded his country in 1979, Buddy took up arms against the godless Bolsheviks. According to legend, as a young man he murdered a Maoist, so he already had some experience killing Commies. He quickly distinguished himself as the most ruthless anti-Soviet fighter, so the CIA richly rewarded the Islamic fundamentalist fanatic for his efforts.

Buddy was planning on ruling Afghanistan after the Soviet Union was driven out in 1989 and its flunky regime collapsed three years later. “Following the ouster of Soviet-backed Afghan President Mohammad Najibullah in 1992, Hekmatyar declined to form part of the new government and, with other warlords, engaged in the Afghan civil war, leading to the death of around 50,000 civilians in Kabul alone,” says this account from Wikipedia. “Hekmatyar was accused of bearing the most responsibility for the rocket attacks on the city.” Unfortunately for Buddy, the Taliban emerged victorious so he went to war against them.

....... see link for full text

Buddy was also planning on ruling Afghanistan after the Taliban was overthrown in 2001, but the United States didn’t invite him to join Hamid Karzai and the new puppet regime, so Buddy commenced a holy war against it. He also hooked up with Al Qaeda for awhile.

By and by, the CIA turned against Buddy. “In May 2002, a CIA-operated aerial drone circling near Kabul shot a Hellfire anti-tank missile at a convoy on the ground,” recalls a 2010 piece in The New Republic. “The explosion killed several men, but failed to claim its target: Gulbuddin Hekmatyar. By then, the Afghan warlord was on Washington’s most-wanted list as a leader of the post-2001 Afghan insurgency. But, eight years later, circumstances have changed once again. The United States is now considering whether it’s time to stop trying to kill Hekmatyar and start negotiating with him.”

Too late for that now. It’s Buddy, not the United States, who’s at the negotiating table.

https://washingtonbabylon.com/great-new ... ower-grab/

LoL, and we thought we could do biz with these people!!??
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some great shots before the fall:


I doubt u will see shots like these in the country for a long time, if ever again:
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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/01/worl ... P78pswx6vA
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One Afghan's view but telling I think..

Former Afghan interpreter says ‘vast majority of Afghans’ view Taliban as ‘lesser of two evils’ compared to the US

An Afghan who served as an interpreter for the US during the war in Afghanistan in a Washington Post op-ed said America’s lack of knowledge about the culture of the country contributed heavily to its failures there.

“Many Americans have been asking … how could Afghanistan have collapsed so quickly? As a former combat interpreter who served alongside U.S. and Afghan Special Operations forces, I can tell you part of the answer – one that’s been missing from the conversation: culture,” wrote Baktash Ahadi, who served U.S. and Afghan special operations troops as a combat interpreter from 2010 to 2012.

“When comparing the Taliban with the United States and its Western allies, the vast majority of Afghans have always viewed the Taliban as the lesser of two evils. To many Americans, that may seem an outlandish claim,” Ahadi went on to say. “But the Americans also went straight to building roads, schools and governing institutions – in an effort to ‘win hearts and minds’ – without first figuring out what values animate those hearts and what ideas fill those minds. We thus wound up acting in ways that would ultimately alienate everyday Afghans.”

Ahadi emphasized that in most cases the only interactions Afghans had with the US and its allies “came via heavily armed and armored combat troops.”

He said the US mistook the Afghan countryside for a “theater of war” as opposed to a place where people “actually lived.”

Ahadi said America’s failure to take culture into account extends well beyond Afghanistan.

“When it comes to cultural illiteracy, America is a recidivist. We failed to understand Iraqi culture, too, so that now, many Iraqis see Iran as the lesser of two evils,” he said. “Before that, we failed to understand Vietnam. And so on. Wherever our relentless military adventurism takes us next, we must do better.”

Full: https://www.businessinsider.com.au/ex-a ... -us-2021-9
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....He said the US mistook the Afghan countryside for a “theater of war” as opposed to a place where people “actually lived.”
Isn't that true for France, Belgium , Germany, South sea islands ( in ww 1 & 2) ?
Vietnam 1963-1975
Iraq?
and every war fought on foreign soil?
Former Afghan interpreter says ‘vast majority of Afghans’ view Taliban as ‘lesser of two evils’ compared to the US
I find this comment hard to believe if you asked ANY afghan lady over 5, if she preferred the US to the Taliban they would choose the Taliban
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"The Afghan Army collapsed without a fight" Biden, and others

Right up to the day we allies left, the Afghan Army look twice as many casualties per month than we did in the full 20 years.
(NB - according to a military academic i heard yesterday)
He said it was the foulest piece of victim blaming that he had heard since Chamberlain blamed Hitlers invasion of Czechoslovakia on the the Czech people for wanting to remain a sovereign nation - and 100% wrong.

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Did they fight?
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Taliban is meming hard!
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came across this old Michael Moore clip




and than this week:

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Brilliant tactician, charismatic guerilla known as the Lion of the Panjshir, and wily survivor, Ahmad Shah Massoud an opponent of both the Taliban and Al-Qaeda, was assassinated twenty years ago, September 9, 2001. A mythical figure, he was seen as the last hope by Afghans who were living under the Taliban regime.

The tables turned in a dramatic fashion when the Taliban regime fell shortly after they were attacked by American forces and their allies. The Northern Alliance, Massoud's army, guided the bombers as they pursued the Taliban fighters.

wonder if things would have been different if he had lived
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