What if it's proven that Covid came from a Wuhan lab?

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Re: What if it's proven that Covid came from a Wuhan lab?

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One can see where the piles of circumstantial evidence are pointing. The "Acknowledgements" section of Nicolas Wade's long long and abundantly sourced and detailed (and brilliant) article in the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists is very revealing. It lists detailed work by many many other experts, all pointing to theory No. 2, that SARSCOV2 was a product, which escaped, whether deliberate or (more like it, I think) accidental.

What amazes me is that the US, which indirectly or maybe even directly had a hand in it, is pushing to make a deeper study of what happened. Don't know if that's just for show or they really don't know and want to find out.

Let's pretend China is caught out for a lab leak on very strong evidence. I don't see how this will change anything. What will the world do? Seek compensation? Impose sanctions? Ban all scientific work with China? Other impositions? How would China react? Looks like a lose lose situation, if you ask me.

Maybe the most deeply disturbing result, should it be discovered researchers were merrily playing with a match at a gas refinery, will be a significant loss of respect for "Big S" Science, such that it will not recover for decades. I know I've lost a lot of respect for science over the past year, finding out many have conflicts of interest, whether being paid by big pharma or holding back on criticism of others' research papers. Examples, Purdue Pharma which lit the opioid crisis in the US or universities hiring researchers with ties to the Chinese military or researchers playing god with viruses in a leaky lab.

Anyway, I'm tired of the topic. Nothing I can do about it. :hattip:
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Doc67 wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 10:55 am
timmydownawell wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:08 am
IraHayes wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 3:55 pm Given the history of accidental outbreaks from Chinese labs in the past this is probably the same.
There's a lot of information that points to a death toll in China far, far in excess of the laughable numbers they are releasing as official figures.

As an example, there's the sudden loss of phone numbers. You life as a chinese citizen requires everything to be linked through your mobile number. You are tracked and your freedoms are controlled via your mobile. During the outbreak in China a huge number of the mobile phones went out of commission. Where did these users go? well I think we all know the answer to that one.
^citation needed
I can assist with the first assertion.
The safety arrangements at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Daszak was possibly unaware of, or perhaps he knew all too well, the long history of viruses escaping from even the best run laboratories. The smallpox virus escaped three times from labs in England in the 1960’s and 1970’s, causing 80 cases and 3 deaths. Dangerous viruses have leaked out of labs almost every year since. Coming to more recent times, the SARS1 virus has proved a true escape artist, leaking from laboratories in Singapore, Taiwan, and no less than four times from the Chinese National Institute of Virology in Beijing.


https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-ori ... -at-wuhan/
I was mostly referring to the second para
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I really hope they find irrefutable proof, just to put a wrench in the CCP's cogwheel.
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Cowshed Cowboy wrote:I just hope whoever reached the conclusion that Saddam undeniably had weapons of mass destruction is not on this investigation.
When evidence is hidden in unreachable places, there is therefore no evidence to be found.

Wait until the Syrian and Iranian governments collapse and western democracies come to power there and magically evidence will be discovered.

But by then everyone currently living will have died and the world will no longer care. History will already have been written. Evidence rarely changes history.

As for the virus inadvertently escaping, there have always been movies about designer viruses purposely released on enemies wrecking havoc, while their immunized populations are safe. Usually through a common vector like migrating birds. Plausible deniability of war, while achieving the same effect.

Is so far fetched to think that the People’s Republic got the weaponizing potential right, and just hadn’t figured out the antidote before it escaped?

The next version that comes out will have the Mainland Chinese public (especially the military) somehow immune to the virus while the world is once again paralyzed. Probably coinciding with the invasion of Taiwan.
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newkidontheblock wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 8:19 pm
Cowshed Cowboy wrote:I just hope whoever reached the conclusion that Saddam undeniably had weapons of mass destruction is not on this investigation.
When evidence is hidden in unreachable places, there is therefore no evidence to be found.

Wait until the Syrian and Iranian governments collapse and western democracies come to power there and magically evidence will be discovered.
But i thought USA Intel had already found the evidence, Nuke.
That's what they said.
That's what the Sec of State stood up on a podium and swore to the world with a blood oath.
That's why they pleaded with us all to march off to war with them, and for some of our to boys die.

Wasn't it?

Sorry, if you want to enlist us in another war - next time we are going to need more than "weapons of mass destruction" BS, or the "Gulf of Tonkin Incident" BS.
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More emails from fauci that show just how the media controlled the narrative at the height of the COVID pandemic.
For example, in February of last year, Tony Fauci told us in public that the COVID outbreak could go one of two ways. It would either be a catastrophic pandemic — that’s what we were all worried about — or it could very well turn out to be just an unusually bad flu season. Those were the options.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DR. ANTHONY FAUCI, DIRECTOR, NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF ALLERGY AND INFECTIOUS DISEASES: If it continues to evolve into what we hope it doesn’t, namely a pandemic flu, it will be very much like a really, really bad flu season or a moderately bad pandemic season.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CARLSON: So it could be a pandemic or just a bad flu, which one would it turn out to be? At least one reporter asked him that in an email. He is a man called Jon LaPook, the chief medical correspondent at CBS News.

On February 16 of last year, LaPook asked Fauci just how dangerous COVID- 19 was. What were the numbers on it? At that time, you’ll remember, Fauci was telling the public not to wear masks. He was telling reporters it was fine to attend political rallies. Public gatherings were okay.

Fauci responded to LaPook by outlining the conditions that would make him change his mind and demand lockdowns, quote: “The current mortality of COVID-19 is about 2%. However, there are several folds more cases that are coming to the official attention of health authorities.” In other words, asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic infections. “If you count these, the case fatality rate could drop to 1% or even half a percent or less. If that is the case, then this would be a very severe flu season, 0.2 to 0.4%. Regular flu season was 0.1%, or a typical pandemic like 1957 or 1968, 0.5% to 0.9%. We’re not sure where this is going to land.”

So it’s interesting to note that Tony Fauci used the term “case fatality rate” in the email. That means the number of deaths divided by confirmed COVID-19 cases, confirmed meaning people who have gone to the doctor usually died in a hospital.

But then Fauci starts talking about the infection fatality rate. That includes the total estimated amount of COVID-19 infections in the country, including ones with no symptoms. That is a far more meaningful number, particularly if you’re trying to make health policy for the entire country.


You should calculate how many people who have the virus are dying from it. So what is that number? What is the actual death rate from COVID?

Well, at the height of the outbreak in late May, the CDC’s best estimate for the fatality rate for people with COVID-19 symptoms, just the ones with symptoms was 0.4%. That estimate was contained in the CDC document called “COVID-19 Pandemic Planning Scenarios.” It was intended for hospitals, it was not in the public press release, “Reason” Magazine got a copy of it.

JPMorgan looked at the data and came to pretty much the same conclusion. Infection fatality rates in the spring of 2020 at the height of the pandemic, were 0.06% in Santa Clara, California. They were the same in Los Angeles. They were point 0.18% in Miami Dade County.

In other words, by Tony Fauci’s own definition, what we are experiencing was effectively a severe flu season, at the worst. But that’s not what Fauci said under oath when he testified at the House Oversight hearing in March of last year.

In that hearing, Fauci claimed the COVID-19 infection mortality rate was around one%, which Fauci explained means it is, quote: ” … 10 times more lethal than the seasonal flu.” That’s untrue. That’s a lie it turns out.
So all the scaremongering was based on "case fatality rates" not "infection fatality rates"
They knew that masks were more of a palliative measure than anything worthwhile.
Fauci knew gain of function was being done in China.

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2021/06 ... sequences/
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Let's get some facts straight. This 'theory' is not new in any way.

A year ago the sitting president of the United States was asked, 'Have you seen anything at this point that gives you a high degree of confidence that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was the origin of this virus?'

Trump: 'Yes, I have. Yes, I have.'



The only 'news' here is that the mainstream media has decided to finally be a bit more honest with you about the whole thing.

You literally had Biden come in when they were already doing about 1 million shots a day come in and boast that he had an ambitious goal to do.... wait for it... 1 million shots a day. The media goes right along with it, lol.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55721437

The only thing I find hard to believe is that anyone could possibly believe any narrative that the mainstream media gives you. You literally have to be a conspiracy theorist to believe what they're selling at this stage. But I get it, I guess. Logic these days: Orange Man still bad, so therefore it's only possibly that everything he says must be wrong, and the media hates Trump too, so they must to be right.

What's next, is the media going to try and convince you that that the crisis at the border is Trump's fault? Oh wait...

A Nazi's take on this:



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The mainstream media is essentially the arm of one political party. They are always correct and history will always be rewritten showing them as correct.

Starting in the 1920s there was a plan to turn the world communist. Not by revolution, not by military overthrow. Just make sure the teachers at the universities in all the western universities were communists, and preached the goodness of all the tenets of socialism to their students. And then make sure the teachers at all the primary and secondary schools were also communist and preached thusly.

The plan failed. Or did it? Political suppression = political correctness. Class warfare = social justice.
And the list goes on.

I just shudder to think if the Chinese People’s Party ever got ahold of this political machine and the chains that the world would impose on itself.

Sorry to deride this excellent discussion.
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newkidontheblock wrote:The mainstream media is essentially the arm of one political party. They are always correct and history will always be rewritten showing them as correct.

Starting in the 1920s there was a plan to turn the world communist. Not by revolution, not by military overthrow. Just make sure the teachers at the universities in all the western universities were communists, and preached the goodness of all the tenets of socialism to their students. And then make sure the teachers at all the primary and secondary schools were also communist and preached thusly.

The plan failed. Or did it? Political suppression = political correctness. Class warfare = social justice.
And the list goes on.

I just shudder to think if the Chinese People’s Party ever got ahold of this political machine and the chains that the world would impose on itself.

Sorry to deride this excellent discussion.
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General Mackevili wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 5:53 pm You literally have to be a conspiracy theorist to believe what they're selling at this stage. But I get it, I guess. Logic these days: Orange Man still bad, so therefore it's only possibly that everything he says must be wrong, and the media hates Trump too, so they must to be right.
Are you for real? Barely anyone has mentioned Trump for months. Nobody cares anymore. And now you are saying that if anyone doesn't believe your conspiracy theory then they must be part of another conspiracy? :lol:
Check yourself dude, I know you grew up in a brain-washing cult but you're smart enough to know better. Good luck on your recovery.
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