What does true love look like?

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Re: What does true love look like?

Post by Soi Dog » Sun Apr 05, 2015 1:24 am

Samouth wrote:
Soi Dog wrote:I don't see what the big deal was. Crucifixion was a very common occurrence back in Jesus' day. Why was his special? Because his was voluntary?
This is what i have learned and been told. The reason that hi Crucifixion was special, because he died for us (sinner). He had been crucified to save us from sin. His father (God) sent him to save us. His blood flow by being crucified saved up.
I get that part, but there were other mere mortals crucified right next to him that very same day. I never understood how one person's crucifixion was "to save me from sin" and all the other thousands of crucifixions carried out by the Romans back then meant nothing whatsoever. If Jesus was the only one ever to have been crucified then you might have a point regarding the significance of the event.

It's like if Jesus and I were both walking barefoot down the beach and stepped on broken glass partially buried in the sand and cut our feet open, only to have Jesus say "look everyone, I've cut my feet on broken glass to save you all...it's very, very significant that I did that". But I'm still bleeding on the beach with cut feet and it was just something that happened and no one gives a damn...and they don't talk about me stepping on glass 2000 years later. Talk about favoritism/nepotism.
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Re: What does true love look like?

Post by Samouth » Sun Apr 05, 2015 1:33 am

Soi Dog wrote:
Samouth wrote:
Soi Dog wrote:I don't see what the big deal was. Crucifixion was a very common occurrence back in Jesus' day. Why was his special? Because his was voluntary?
This is what i have learned and been told. The reason that hi Crucifixion was special, because he died for us (sinner). He had been crucified to save us from sin. His father (God) sent him to save us. His blood flow by being crucified saved up.
I get that part, but there were other mere mortals crucified right next to him that very same day. I never understood how one person's crucifixion was "to save me from sin" and all the other thousands of crucifixions carried out by the Romans back then meant nothing whatsoever. If Jesus was the only one ever to have been crucified then you might have a point regarding the significance of the event.

It's like if Jesus and I were both walking barefoot down the beach and stepped on broken glass partially buried in the sand and cut our feet open, only to have Jesus say "look everyone, I've cut my feet on broken glass to save you all...it's very, very significant that I did that". But I'm still bleeding on the beach with cut feet and it was just something that happened and no one gives a damn...and they don't talk about me stepping on glass 2000 years later. Talk about favoritism/nepotism.
This is also what i don't understand. It is not really logic that someone can help the rest by being crucified. I have met a few atheists and they all said the same thing. However, Let's see if Jesus does come back to the earth one day. By the time, it will be too late for me to baptise. I will be forever in hell. I can't imagine, If My boss would sack me if she saw me discussing about Christianity.
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Re: What does true love look like?

Post by LTO » Sun Apr 05, 2015 1:38 am

scratch that.
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Re: What does true love look like?

Post by StroppyChops » Sun Apr 05, 2015 2:00 am

LTO wrote:Doesn't seem any more a suicide to me than a soldier who follows the orders to go on a mission from which he knows he won't return. He neither took his own life nor was in a suicidal state of mind. He expressed fear and doubt, and in that fear begged he be spared his father's plan. But in the end, like a good soldier, he did his duty, and saved us all, if you believe that last bit.
Thanks for your perspective - that's helped clarify my thinking on the clergyman's comment. I wasn't happy with it, I just couldn't put words to it. I guess the one difference with JC is that he had the power to choose/change the outcome, whereas a soldier would be fighting towards an outcome that includes not going home in a bag. I wonder what it is in the human psyche that reacts so strongly to soldiers/heroes knowingly choosing to die for others - whether it comes from the crucifixion.
Soi Dog wrote:I get that part, but there were other mere mortals crucified right next to him that very same day. I never understood how one person's crucifixion was "to save me from sin" and all the other thousands of crucifixions carried out by the Romans back then meant nothing whatsoever. If Jesus was the only one ever to have been crucified then you might have a point regarding the significance of the event.
The significance was not in the execution, it was in the executed. It was a symbolic act related to the endless bloody sacrifices of the OT that were never quite good enough. Christ was not like the thousands of others crucified in that period, or the two beside him - according to the good book he was fully man but fully God, without fault despite being subject to all the temptations of young Jewish men of that time; probably the last person on earth to deserve such an execution.
Samouth wrote:I can't imagine, If My boss would sack me if she saw me discussing about Christianity.
That irritates me. Christianity SHOULD be questioned and discussed - anyone who pressures you to just blindly believe without question should be watched very carefully, as this is how people use religion for control.
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Re: What does true love look like?

Post by walkjivefly » Sun Apr 05, 2015 11:04 am

Samouth wrote: He had been crucified to save us from sin. His father (God) sent him to save us. His blood flow by being crucified saved us.
Epic fail.
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Re: What does true love look like?

Post by General Chatter » Sun Apr 05, 2015 11:41 am

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Not only do I love it I worship it as well
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Re: What does true love look like?

Post by StroppyChops » Sun Apr 05, 2015 12:17 pm

General Chatter wrote:Image

Not only do I love it I worship it as well
Oh you heartless bastard - that's just cruel
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Re: What does true love look like?

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Re: What does true love look like?

Post by paparazzi » Sun Apr 05, 2015 1:05 pm

I am a little puzzled. Jesus says to the thief next to him on the cross he will be with him in heaven this day. Then he takes 3 days to rise. Should he not have said "See you in a few days...." ?
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Re: What does true love look like?

Post by StroppyChops » Sun Apr 05, 2015 3:02 pm

paparazzi wrote:I am a little puzzled. Jesus says to the thief next to him on the cross he will be with him in heaven this day. Then he takes 3 days to rise. Should he not have said "See you in a few days...." ?
That's a good question.
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