Where does the govt draw the line on speech?

xandreu · Post by **xandreu** » Sun May 02, 2021 7:58 pm

xX.TROPA.Xx wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 6:27 pm
xandreu wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 6:20 pm It's not so much about being a guest here. The point is that by being guests, we are no different to the local natives. Being a guest gives us no special rights nor privilege over anyone else. Whatever standards, laws or etiquette are in place in terms of voicing political opinion here, apply equally to everyone. Regardless of our passports or residential status.
So in other words keep your head down and stfu.

Yes. I'd also add that if you need to ask where the line is drawn, perhaps Cambodia (and other places that operate in a similar fashion) aren't the best places for you to settle.

The start of the line begins at the end of your common sense.

newkidontheblock · Post by **newkidontheblock** » Sun May 02, 2021 8:22 pm

Cambodian reporters were sent to mainland China to be educated on how to be a good reporter.

Use the template of the average Chinese reporter in the People’s Democracy, and then translate to the situation on the ground in the Kingdom of Wonder.

They being said, HE has mostly had a hands off approach (aka not caring) to foreigners because most of them don’t speak Khmer and because most Khmer don’t mix with foreigners and follow CEO.

Post by **Clutch Cargo** » Sun May 02, 2021 8:31 pm

newkidontheblock wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 8:22 pm They being said, HE has mostly had a hands off approach (aka not caring) to foreigners because most of them don’t speak Khmer and because most Khmer don’t mix with foreigners and follow CEO.

Have you got high connections or did a little birdie tell you this..?

nemo · Post by **nemo** » Sun May 02, 2021 9:21 pm

a UK guy had a hotel resturant in Phnom Penh back around 2017. He criticized the government on his facebook page. He travelled back to UK for a break and when trying to come back to Cambodia, found his visa cancelled.

Did he have an affiliation to an outlaw MC club?

Jcml19 · Post by **Jcml19** » Sun May 02, 2021 11:06 pm

imo people will look at things through their own lense... Our social/cultural upbringing and with age the ability to mold that to what/who we are helps us understand the things we experience and see.

pretty sure as travelers we're well aware that the destination will have their own way of doing things. Whether it is right/wrong it's up to the people. Never wrong to have our own opinions but we just have to be mindful that we're visitors in a foreign land and have the right to leave if it bothers us too much. working in china was awesome but it was getting to a point that it wasn't worth it no more so i left for a more suitable environment.

different gov structures can work however it's the choice of the people....

John Bingham · Post by **John Bingham** » Mon May 03, 2021 2:02 am

newkidontheblock wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 8:22 pm
They being said, HE has mostly had a hands off approach (aka not caring) to foreigners because most of them don’t speak Khmer and because most Khmer don’t mix with foreigners and follow CEO.

That was the case in the 1990s, the government didn't really care what the English language press wrote because very few Cambodians read those papers. Now with the preponderance of social media and the fact that far more Cambodians have decent English skills, plus all the translation apps available, it has changed completely. I know some very well-educated Cambodians who work in the Ministry of Information and Interior who know multiple languages, don't assume they aren't aware of what is being discussed online.

truffledog · Post by **truffledog** » Mon May 03, 2021 3:20 am

Freedom of expression is tightly linked to your chances of suddenly disappearing in any country ruled by one person. If you push the wrong button you simply vanish and nobody will ever find you. Just the mild cases of insulting the ones with the guns will find a judge and the harsh sentencing will be a lesson to other who want to express themselves about hot topics in a foreign country.

nerdlinger · Post by **nerdlinger** » Mon May 03, 2021 5:29 am

Spigzy wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 6:54 pm
That's part of the problem though, everyone has an opinion - reporting should be of facts and quotes, the latter being quite dangerous here, but possible if done tactfully. Don't put a quote & then directly call the person quoted a liar for backpeddling on an earlier promise. You can put an old quote, and a new quote side by side & leave the reader to discern that the person is a liar. It isn't management consulting, it's just plain journalism.

Maybe I'm old fashioned, but reporting is of facts, stats & quotes - leave the opinion pieces to those who want to 'cross the line' a la Rainman & chums. I think it's dangerous for journos here to push the envelope like is possible in a western nation; but you'd be hard pushed to 'cross any government line' by simply reporting verifiable facts at face value; even if your facts are 100% correct, but you then go on for one little "and it's all HE's fault!", you're begging for trouble.

This guy might disagree: https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/04/10/cam ... n-covid-19
Reporter Jailed for Quoting HE on COVID-19

nerdlinger · Post by **nerdlinger** » Mon May 03, 2021 5:46 am

xandreu wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 7:58 pm
xX.TROPA.Xx wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 6:27 pm So in other words keep your head down and stfu.
Yes. I'd also add that if you need to ask where the line is drawn, perhaps Cambodia (and other places that operate in a similar fashion) aren't the best places for you to settle.

The start of the line begins at the end of your common sense.

Seriously? The fact that I’m trying to do some research is a bad sign?

Phnom Poon · Post by **Phnom Poon** » Mon May 03, 2021 6:12 am

John Bingham wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 2:02 am it has changed completely.

govt still don't give much of a crap about these forums
since they have very little influence on khmer attitudes
it's own bubble, stuff rarely if ever originates here to facebook, it's always the other way
and, dare i say, a poor reputation as journalism
even among polite expat society

for actual english language publications it has changed completely

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