Derek Chauvin Guilty
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Re: Derek Chauvin Guilty
I realise it was a murder trial so they had to have an expert come in to tell them that but it seemed a bit ridiculous to me. Dying of an overdose after having had a guy kneeling on your neck for 9 minutes would have been a remarkable coincidence, kind of like having someone die of old age as you were bashing their head in with a hammer.nemo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:40 pm George Floyd died from lack of oxygen, not fentanyl, says expert
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56670912
Fact check: George Floyd's death ruled a homicide, not fentanyl overdose
https://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-georg ... 23990.html
Re: Derek Chauvin Guilty
Yes, but a certain demographic is intent on pushing a false narrative.
Like the awful woman who said her new party would be based on Anglo Saxon values when it was clear she meant Aryan values.
That went down in flames quick smart.
Like the awful woman who said her new party would be based on Anglo Saxon values when it was clear she meant Aryan values.
That went down in flames quick smart.
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Well, opioid overdoses typically include respiratory difficulties.
https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/ ... s/fentanyl
https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/ ... s/fentanyl
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Re: Derek Chauvin Guilty
why are u arguing?
he was found guilty of second-degree unintentional murder, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter.
wither he had drugs, or anything in his system is irrelevant at this point
he was found guilty of second-degree unintentional murder, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter.
wither he had drugs, or anything in his system is irrelevant at this point
In a nation run by swine, all pigs are upward-mobile and the rest of us are fucked until we can put our acts together: not necessarily to win, but mainly to keep from losing completely. HST
Re: Derek Chauvin Guilty
Quite a few people seem to prefer conspiracy over established reality.
Embarrassing, really.
Embarrassing, really.
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Re: Derek Chauvin Guilty
Systemic failure, maybe?
Poor, or out of date procedures, training, mentoring? Inadequate oversight, or compromised by unreasonable expectations?
A guy is restrained, but then the method of subduing him is maintained for a long period of time, and goes unchecked by colleagues looking on. Did no-one think it was unreasonable to continue that method, or did they feel unable to challenge the situation? I’m sure this may actually become part of any appeal against level of sentence.
Quite often, you find that a few isolated, but fairly serious events lead to some poorly reasoned changes in procedures, knee jerk reactions. Sometimes intended to be temporary. A perception that something needs to be done NOW. Then, slowly, instead of being properly thought out, what started off as a temporary measure becomes normal practice.
I’m reluctant to use the phrase ‘Risk Assessment’ these days, as it’s become somewhat coopted and overused, but under appreciated. But we encounter this all the time, and I’m confident that other disciplines find the same.
What’s the risk of not dealing with or subduing a threat quickly? A situation getting out of control? So, we maintain the initiative. We have some well known responses to situations, which are quickly put into action.
Great, initial situation dealt with.
But what about calming the situation down, afterwards? Reassessing?
It’s well known that maintaining a very high level of alert against risks is counterproductive. It’s stressful. It starts to narrow perspective. It can cause all focus to be on the initial perceived problem, and stops people reassessing the situation. It leads to mistakes.
Bring in human characteristics, and what was a rational response can become a big overreaction.
Poor, or out of date procedures, training, mentoring? Inadequate oversight, or compromised by unreasonable expectations?
A guy is restrained, but then the method of subduing him is maintained for a long period of time, and goes unchecked by colleagues looking on. Did no-one think it was unreasonable to continue that method, or did they feel unable to challenge the situation? I’m sure this may actually become part of any appeal against level of sentence.
Quite often, you find that a few isolated, but fairly serious events lead to some poorly reasoned changes in procedures, knee jerk reactions. Sometimes intended to be temporary. A perception that something needs to be done NOW. Then, slowly, instead of being properly thought out, what started off as a temporary measure becomes normal practice.
I’m reluctant to use the phrase ‘Risk Assessment’ these days, as it’s become somewhat coopted and overused, but under appreciated. But we encounter this all the time, and I’m confident that other disciplines find the same.
What’s the risk of not dealing with or subduing a threat quickly? A situation getting out of control? So, we maintain the initiative. We have some well known responses to situations, which are quickly put into action.
Great, initial situation dealt with.
But what about calming the situation down, afterwards? Reassessing?
It’s well known that maintaining a very high level of alert against risks is counterproductive. It’s stressful. It starts to narrow perspective. It can cause all focus to be on the initial perceived problem, and stops people reassessing the situation. It leads to mistakes.
Bring in human characteristics, and what was a rational response can become a big overreaction.
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Re: Derek Chauvin Guilty
Well, we have an appeal system and rulings are sometimes overturned.phuketrichard wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 5:34 pm why are u arguing?
he was found guilty of second-degree unintentional murder, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter.
wither he had drugs, or anything in his system is irrelevant at this point
More to the point: Why not argue? Why accept anything?
Did Blacks in Ferguson accept the police department's ruling? No, they torched their own town.
Did the Left accept Trump's victory? No, they screeched about Russia and rioted in DC.
Re: Derek Chauvin Guilty
Did Trump accept his own defeat? No, he screeched Election Fraud and his supporters rioted in Washington DC.Big Daikon wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:10 amWell, we have an appeal system and rulings are sometimes overturned.phuketrichard wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 5:34 pm why are u arguing?
he was found guilty of second-degree unintentional murder, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter.
wither he had drugs, or anything in his system is irrelevant at this point
More to the point: Why not argue? Why accept anything?
Did Blacks in Ferguson accept the police department's ruling? No, they torched their own town.
Did the Left accept Trump's victory? No, they screeched about Russia and rioted in DC.
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Re: Derek Chauvin Guilty
Exactly my point. Thank you.Doc67 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:11 pmDid Trump accept his own defeat? No, he screeched Election Fraud and his supporters rioted in Washington DC.Big Daikon wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:10 amWell, we have an appeal system and rulings are sometimes overturned.phuketrichard wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 5:34 pm why are u arguing?
he was found guilty of second-degree unintentional murder, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter.
wither he had drugs, or anything in his system is irrelevant at this point
More to the point: Why not argue? Why accept anything?
Did Blacks in Ferguson accept the police department's ruling? No, they torched their own town.
Did the Left accept Trump's victory? No, they screeched about Russia and rioted in DC.
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Re: Derek Chauvin Guilty
Yes, so let's continue to add to the idiocy rather than rise above it.Big Daikon wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:12 pmExactly my point. Thank you.Doc67 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:11 pmDid Trump accept his own defeat? No, he screeched Election Fraud and his supporters rioted in Washington DC.Big Daikon wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:10 amWell, we have an appeal system and rulings are sometimes overturned.phuketrichard wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 5:34 pm why are u arguing?
he was found guilty of second-degree unintentional murder, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter.
wither he had drugs, or anything in his system is irrelevant at this point
More to the point: Why not argue? Why accept anything?
Did Blacks in Ferguson accept the police department's ruling? No, they torched their own town.
Did the Left accept Trump's victory? No, they screeched about Russia and rioted in DC.
9 minutes on a neck. it's done.
Trump lost, fair and square. It's done.
The Trump campaign colluded with Russia ... apparently given the latest news, so maybe not done. I'll enjoy the show with some popcorn.
Biden's dog bit someone. It's done.
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