Jack.R. wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 11:49 pm

nemo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 9:10 pm

Floyd had a fatal cocktail of drugs in his system

Nonsense - contrary to the coroner's report.
Provide a credible source if you can.

Well, statistically people who died from fentanyl overdose had readings from 0.75 ng/mL to an astounding record of 113 ng/mL.

The average death dose was 9.96 ng/mL.
So that's the point where most people die from just fentanyl.

According to George Floyd's toxicology report, his blood contained 11.0 ng/mL Fentanyl, 5.6 ng/mL norfentanyl, 19 ng/mL of methamphetamine and 42 ng/ml of THC.

Does he mean that he did die from it? No.
Was it a fatal amount? For most addicts yes.
Maybe he had an exeptional tolerance which can be expected of someone willing to drive while high enough for most people to be dead.
Besides that he was also tested positive to covid a day or two prior to his death (which Floyd, not very cleverly, said to the officers face without a mask. some people might want to choke you for that alone) and had some other serious chronic conditions.

The main point of the drugs being a possibile cause of death is that Floyd kept saying repeatedly that he couldn't breathe long before being pinned to the ground.
According to Floyd himself in the video it was due only to claustrophobia as he stated that he didn't use drugs.
The fact that he couldn't breathe was the reason why he didn't let the officers take him into the car and to the precinct which led to him being pinned to the ground instead.

Anyway regardless of Floyd's drug use, extensive life of crime and how much of a general danger to society he was when alive the officer should have removed the pressure when the suspect passed out.
I could have understood if the officer was alone but he had 2 more officers keeping him down in case he would spring back up. So the action of keeping pressure after the suspect passed out is excessive force regardless of the root cause.

Did it mean Floyd was murdered?
Personally i don't think so.
I don't think Derek WANTED to kill Floyd.
As most officers he likely had better things to do that spending his time dealing with the antics of drug addicts.
The officers tried to make him enter the police car over and over peacefully and than even tried to shove him into it before ultimately pinning him to the ground as they failed in their attempts waiting for the ambulance to arrive so that he could be transported on a stretcher instead of the police car.
The manoeuvre used to pin floyd in itself is common and at the time of the incident was considered a rather standard restraining method.

Considering that the officer was doing a lawful arrest and following procedure until the point where the suspect passed out but failed to recognize what was a quite obvious dangerous situation for the suspect in his custody which could have been the cause of his death i personally think that a charge of Negligent Homicide would have been more appropriate than murder and manslaughter at most.
The main difference between the two being wether the officer was aware that what he was doing was going to be highly dangerous (manslaughter) but proceeded anyway or if the officer was is criminally negligent because he did not realize his behavior was dangerous, even though he should have. (Negligent Homicide) but murder charges? I don't think that is a fair outcome. This because murder is usually defined as one person killing another person with intentional malice. Effectively this puts the officer as on the same level with someone killing his wife because he found her in bed with another man in a fit of anger, which would be also a non premeditated murder.
I think the officer situation left plenty of reasonable doubts in regards to the murder charges and as far as i understand american law i don't think it was remotely proven beyond reasonable doubt that Derek Chauvin killed Floyd with intentional malice.

phuketrichard wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:20 am thank god 12 people disagreed with ur "he was only doing his job"

Big Daikon wrote:What happens to the US when cops stop doing their job?

newkidontheblock wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:11 am

Big Daikon wrote:What happens to the US when cops stop doing their job?

It’s already happened. In the cities with riots over BLM, large numbers of cops have retired. Those remaining have stopped active policing, aka stopping crime in progress or even stopping crime before it occurs.
They started following the Khmer police way - wait for the bodies, then go in.

The same rioters who were chanting that all police were murders or worse, have now demanded that the same police they denigrated so much now protect them.

Hypocrisy at it’s finest.

newkidontheblock wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:11 am

Big Daikon wrote:What happens to the US when cops stop doing their job?

It’s already happened. In the cities with riots over BLM, large numbers of cops have retired. Those remaining have stopped active policing, aka stopping crime in progress or even stopping crime before it occurs.
They started following the Khmer police way - wait for the bodies, then go in.

The same rioters who were chanting that all police were murders or worse, have now demanded that the same police they denigrated so much now protect them.

Hypocrisy at it’s finest.

Big Daikon wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:44 am

newkidontheblock wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:11 am

Big Daikon wrote:What happens to the US when cops stop doing their job?

It’s already happened. In the cities with riots over BLM, large numbers of cops have retired. Those remaining have stopped active policing, aka stopping crime in progress or even stopping crime before it occurs.
They started following the Khmer police way - wait for the bodies, then go in.

The same rioters who were chanting that all police were murders or worse, have now demanded that the same police they denigrated so much now protect them.

Hypocrisy at it’s finest.

I'm not sure it is hypocrisy. I think some people really don't think things through.

Twitter lit up over that, btw.

IraHayes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 9:18 am And there is a study that was done in January
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm ... id=3767097
That shows the link between BLM protests in cities and the rise in murders in those cities

Big Daikon wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:38 am

phuketrichard wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:20 am thank god 12 people disagreed with ur "he was only doing his job"

What happens to the US when cops stop doing their job?

Yobbo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:30 pm

Big Daikon wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:38 am

phuketrichard wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:20 am thank god 12 people disagreed with ur "he was only doing his job"

What happens to the US when cops stop doing their job?

Then the good guys with guns will stop the bad guys with guns