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Brody wrote: Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:16 pm
Kammekor wrote: Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:10 pm
Brody wrote: Thu Apr 22, 2021 11:13 am
PPUG wrote: Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:54 am "Tough love" isnt going to help someone who is starving today
Thats my opinion anyway
Ok, feed them today. What about tomorrow..........and the next day.........and the next..........and after the pandemic.

How far are you willing to go?

If you're going to take up the mantle that the government should be handling.......you better be in it for the long haul.

And not desert the perpetually destitute once you've had your fill and are ready to move on to writing bleeding heart poverty porn pieces for The New Yorker or virtue signalling on Bookface.

That's my opinion anyway.
I must be a sucker. Just after Khmer new year I sent some money to people I know stuck in the capital, out of work, and formerly living from payment to payment.
You're not a sucker.

Stop being obtuse.

That is a different conversation. You're helping specific people you know.........We were talking about the entire community at large.
The community at large doesn't need support. A part of it needs. Since there's a serious crisis now, probably the biggest in thirty years time, if there ever was a time to be generous it's now.

And me supporting some people in need I know won't make any difference in what the government does, or thinks it has to do. But for the people in need a small gesture makes a big difference during these difficult days. Hence my exception. I generally agree with you point of few about the obligations of the government but I feel the needs are too high now.
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The community at large doesn't need support. A part of it needs. Since there's a serious crisis now, probably the biggest in thirty years time, if there ever was a time to be generous it's now.

And me supporting some people in need I know won't make any difference in what the government does, or thinks it has to do. But for the people in need a small gesture makes a big difference during these difficult days. Hence my exception. I generally agree with you point of few about the obligations of the government but I feel the needs are too high now.
Well said - that's exactly the situation at the moment :bow:
People need help. We can help. Lets help them
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Kammekor wrote: Thu Apr 22, 2021 2:09 pm I feel the needs are too high now.
Yes I agree.

My points, I've been banging on about this long before covid, are less to do with the micro situation (ie covid situation atm) and more to do with the macro view (ie years to come).
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atst wrote: Thu Apr 22, 2021 1:53 pm
Brody wrote: Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:23 pm
PPUG wrote: Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:18 pm
Brody wrote: Thu Apr 22, 2021 11:59 am
PPUG wrote: Thu Apr 22, 2021 11:27 am
Well said.

I just get a little cynical as I live in a borey where I can't go a single day without seeing half a dozen high luxury automobiles, the cost of which could support a rice farming family of 4 for 15 years at least.

I want these fat-cats to take a more active roll.......not in their own rice bowls..........but in the multitude of destitute countrymen and women.

What's the oft used phrase here, "Khmer love Khmer" ? Put your money where your fucking mouth is.
I'm agreement with you on this the last 5 or so years Cambodia has changed so much so many driving around in huge cars most Westerns can't afford to run let alone buy, I've gone from feeling well off to being poor in respect to many Khmer, I no longer feel the need to hand over $ to people as I'm watching a new land cruiser drive past or parked outside Starbucks, let them start giving.
I'll look after close friends and family the rest can look to thier fellow country men
Charities! Good or bad? Of course, they are good, and may I add, are a great and welcoming asset to the less fortunate, the ones in need. What of the ones who run these charities? Do they do it for free, or are they paid by means of donations, on the whole giving can't be done for nothing. Look at Oxfam for example, from the top of the organisation to the managers of the charity shop outlets are all paid members of staff, only the shop assistants are volunteers. To add to this of today, being that of a volunteer for some charity organisations, may now actually cost the volunteer too be involved. One good example of this was the animal charity that was coming to Phnom Penh to inoculate street dogs, to prevent Rabies, volunteers who wished to be involved in the program, working in teams with the experienced vets too capture the dogs for treatment, of course, included was hotel and food, plus training was given for your fee. Not forgetting you are involved to do good for the community.

http://www.missionrabies.com/

Here is the thread on the subject, I asked the question - Are the government staff conditioned to pay the same fees as overseas volunteers?

general-chatter/rabies-vaccination-volu ... 00-10.html

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I just get a little cynical as I live in a borey where I can't go a single day without seeing half a dozen high luxury automobiles, the cost of which could support a rice farming family of 4 for 15 years at least.

Only the luxury automobiles? I know of someone on your borey, who bought his luxury house. He works for an organisation overseas, yes, that of a charity. He is an organiser here and does good work, charity organiser, and most of all fund raiser.
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one problem seems to be that quite a few khmer people seem unaware or just unable to appreciate the difficulties in red zones
and in any case blame the govt harsh restrictions, on the people themselves
'for not listening' to earlier demands

they need to wise up that this govt does not give a damn about the people
and start making some demands of their own

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Phnom Poon wrote: Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:15 pm one problem seems to be that quite a few khmer people seem unaware or just unable to appreciate the difficulties in red zones
and in any case blame the govt harsh restrictions, on the people themselves
'for not listening' to earlier demands

they need to wise up that this govt does not give a damn about the people
and start making some demands of their own
The red zone is certainly that of a containment area, if there are people effected by covid19, there too, are that of people at risk. What are the authorities to do with a situation that could possibly be growing, it's not possible to contain something like this indefinitely, are they waiting for the majority too be vaccinated and then have heard immunity? I think the answer maybe to go from house to house, and inoculating the households that don't show signs of the virus, also treat the ones that may have.
This situation I could see Cambodia asking for outside help with.
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i speculate that they will issue vaccine passports
or just that second vaccination cards will serve that purpose

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Brody wrote: Thu Apr 22, 2021 2:30 pm
Kammekor wrote: Thu Apr 22, 2021 2:09 pm I feel the needs are too high now.
Yes I agree.

My points, I've been banging on about this long before covid, are less to do with the micro situation (ie covid situation atm) and more to do with the macro view (ie years to come).
I worked / volunteered in the NGO sector for two years, working my ass off while the government officials bought new houses. There's a reason I quit that job despite loving it... And the main reason is I learned the change has to come from inside (government) and not from outside (ngo 's).
So I share you r point of view during normal days.
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Kammekor wrote: Thu Apr 22, 2021 6:41 pm I worked / volunteered in the NGO sector for two years, working my ass off while the government officials bought new houses. There's a reason I quit that job despite loving it... And the main reason is I learned the change has to come from inside (government) and not from outside (ngo 's).
So I share you r point of view during normal days.
I can sympathise with the frustration, but I don’t think there’s sufficient link between “withholding aid” and “stopping corruption” the way that Brody wants us to believe.
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