paul2d wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 11:28 pm

GMJS-CEO wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 10:12 pm Pfizer #2 - chills, headache, extreme fatigue, body aches, couldn't move arm due to pain. Lasted for 1 day, Tylenol solved most of the side effects.

Wife - arm pain and no other side effects.

Vaccine scientists say that these reactions are to be expected and that they are a good indication that the vaccine is doing its job. Health care worker friend says to take Tylenol 4 hours prior to getting second jab and not to wait until side effects manifest themselves.

Someone told me that so I looked it up, CDC recommended not taking a Tylenol beforehand due to potentially weakening the immune response.

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19 ... id-vaccine

I’d imagine the impact is negligible but I followed the guidance and didn’t take any medication.

Bitte_Kein_Lexus wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:14 am I've received tons of vaccines over the years, probably way more than most given my field of work. Weirdly enough, I never really get any side effects. I can't recall getting na vaccine that made me tired/sick or anything.

Same here, though some hurt like heck when being injected.

New Moderna booster shot may provide immunity to S. Africa and Brasilian variants. Side effects similar to those experienced after second dose of the vaccine: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/05/covid-b ... iants.html

phuketrichard wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 7:40 am

Bitte_Kein_Lexus wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 12:21 pm Good idea Richard, 100 million doses and your Facebook friend has phantom pains...

so let me get this straight, a negative experience of a friend of 50 years is not valid, yet someone else positive experience is?

He is not just a random fb friend but a real friend

No, feel free to value your friend's experience. My point is this:
1-You're in the "at risk" group. Not sure how old you are, but I'm guessing 60s.
2-Your DAUGHTER got Covid, and according to yourself, suffers on a daily basis from " long-Covid". You say the media should talk more about long-Covid because people focus too much on the relatively low death rate vs the potential lasting side-effects.
3-Now one of your friends has a bad experience, and doctors can't find ANYTHING wrong with him despite numerous scans and tests. Ok... Every hear of nocebo effect?

So my point is this: I'm asking you to use your brain and think a bit. Listen to yourself and read the outline above. Now read it again. Does that sound like sensible reasoning to you?

I'm just over 30, can still run 5km in well under 25 minutes, deadlift 300+lbs, don't smoke, and am not overweight. I'm NOT at risk and haven't given a fuck about Covid since the beginning. I wasn't planning on getting the vaccine until much later, but because of my work had to get it a few weeks back. I did my research and I'm glad I got it, but my main concern was that I got it before those who are most at risk, like yourself. I'm not for mandatory vaccination, but I do think it's a flaw in the Cambodian system (where I'm from they started with the eldest and front-line workers, which I think is fair. Why would a 22 year old need it ASAP? They can wait).

Meanwhile, you're in the "at risk" group, have a young family member who still suffers from its after-effects, have had in this thread alone around 10+ say no issues with Pfizer, literally 100M doses given with little to no reported issues and you're all "I think I'll wait because my one friend feels a phantom pain". I mean, I don't really care whether you get it or not, but your logic that would make Plato cry is what bothers me most.

Having spent a decade as an IV heroin and cocaine user I can assure you having a globally rolled out flu jab created by the world's biggest pharmaceutical companies is nothing to worry about. GET THE VACCINE ASAP. Lets get the world back to normal ffs because this is shit.

Bitte_Kein_Lexus wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:16 am 3-Now one of your friends has a bad experience, and doctors can't find ANYTHING wrong with him despite numerous scans and tests. Ok... Every hear of nocebo effect?

I think they were trying to convey “his side effects were super bad because look at all these many many tests he had to have” when in fact what’s come across is “his side effects were very thoroughly investigated and found to be nothing”...

A variant-proof vaccine? Valneva From France. Info courtesy of ABC: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-07/ ... c_news_web

GMJS-CEO wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 10:12 pm Pfizer #2 - chills, headache, extreme fatigue, body aches, couldn't move arm due to pain. Lasted for 1 day, Tylenol solved most of the side effects.

Wife - arm pain and no other side effects.

Mmmh, i brought my mother (87) to get her first Pfizer shot 3 weeks ago, and will get the 2nd one next weekend.

First shot was funny, she's a bit deaf, so i had to read loudly the formular's questions.
It's a vaccinodrome inside a large fair building. High ceiling, good echo, like a church, all patients in one big room.

" YOU'RE NOT CURRENTLY PREGNANT MUM, ARE YOU ?
- ...no !?
- YOU SURE RIGHT ? YOU WON"T FOOL THE DOCTOR IF YOU'RE PLAYING GAMES BEHIND OUR BACK YOU KNOW....
- Are they asking this, seriously ?
- SO, YOU DON"T BREASTFEED TOO RIGHT ? YOU DON"T SELL YOUR PREGNANCY MILK OR SOMETHING ?"

She beat me a bit with her umbrella while laughing through the parking lot to the car, but was fine.

I guess i will stick with her 2 days, just by precaution, having read your feedback...