Deadbeats or victims with legitimate grievances?

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Re: Deadbeats or victims with legitimate grievances?

Post by Soi Dog » Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:12 am

vladimir wrote: Some people are concerned that their taxes are spent on educating others, but would they rather have them spent on killing others in a foreign country, perhaps in an unnecessary war which was created for the benefit of a few?
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I want another degree, Vladimir. Give me some money now. Or would you rather use your money to fund a war and the killing of others for the benefit of a few? You decide. Those are the only two options, apparently. That is your logic there.

For those who wish everyone's university education was subsidised by the government (or free), you are always free to get a second or third job and give all your hard earned money to struggling college students. Stop telling me and everyone else that we should be more willing to give others our hard earned money via higher taxes. I pay almost 50% of my income to taxes as it is. What percentage of your current income is taken by taxes?
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Re: Deadbeats or victims with legitimate grievances?

Post by MekongMouse » Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:23 am

Vlad has a point in that if we spent less on the military industrial complex, we could pay for education, without having to raise taxes. It is just about shifting what we prioritize. Right now that is war and corporate welfare over education and social services. There's absolutely no reason your taxes have to go up.
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Re: Deadbeats or victims with legitimate grievances?

Post by vladimir » Mon Apr 20, 2015 12:53 pm

Exactly. And let's not forget that the students will one day pay taxes, and the more they earn, the more they pay.

It's sad that the brainwashing of the general populace has succeeded to such an extent that everybody always assumes it's going to be extra. No, it will be MORE, and it will be better/more widely distributed, on developing the nation's greatest resource, its people, rather than lining the pockets of a few budding war criminals.

And after the poor idiots go off to war, they get injured and have to wait 6 months to see a doctor and get abandoned. Nice.

It doesn't suit the warmongers to develop minds, educated people ask questions. If they do get educated, they have to be locked into a system of debt that, again, benefits the few.

If you can't see it, I don't know, your problem, not mine.
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Re: Deadbeats or victims with legitimate grievances?

Post by Soi Dog » Tue Apr 21, 2015 5:09 am

vladimir wrote:Exactly. And let's not forget that the students will one day pay taxes, and the more they earn, the more they pay.
One day? Did you bother to read the article pasted in the OP? Hordes of people are spending shitloads of taxpayer's money and still not even remotely qualified to get any job in any field after that money is gone many, many years after graduation. Then they mass protest and bitch and whine that the system is unfair and how they "were lied to" about the value of any college level education...and then demand their student loans be forgiven. They are wasting taxpayer money as it is and you lot are saying the solution is to throw even more money at the situation. Cut the defense budget by all means, I'm 100% all for that, but don't then waste that saved money on hapless people who can't plan their own future and make a go of it after such a sacrifice of taxpayers. Pay down some of the national debt, fix our crumbling infrastructure and save Social Security and Medicare benefits for retirees, for starters. There are plenty of worthy uses for money saved by cutting the military budget.
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Re: Deadbeats or victims with legitimate grievances?

Post by vladimir » Tue Apr 21, 2015 7:07 am

SD, you are missing the point.

I agree they should pay, btw. Just as soon as Wall St and rogue banks do. How do you feel about that issue? Way more money involved, btw, and far more damage they did. One of the reasons they don't want to pay is that the banks reneged, and they got rewarded. In fact they did worse than renege, they started all this crap.

What happened to equality? Justice? Oh, wait, money is involved...

If the students who can't pay now had taken practical degrees, they would have jobs. The problem is that they either took worthless crap like philosophy degrees, or they gained degrees from dodgy institutions, of which there are hundreds, perhaps thousands in the US and elsewhere, simply because they paid off the government to recognise them.

A practical degree for institutions properly overseen by a clean government, end of problem.

And there are also a lot of people becoming lawyers and doctors simply to make money rather than helping people. The market for lawyers is overcrowded, the state needs to start limiting numbers, but no, it's way too profitable for them.

Those who want to study philosophy can pay their own way.

The primary obligation of any govt is to protect its citizens (that doesn't justify wars that area a result of stirring/stealing, btw), then healthcare and education. It's always been a disgrace, imho, that the US doesn't have free medical, but places like Thailand and Cuba do (or almost free).

The economy has been managed to benefit a few, as opposed to the majority, but when you have a system that only allows rich candidates subsidised by corporate donations, don't be surprised if you end up with a brothel.

Conflict of interest, old boy, conflict of interest.
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Re: Deadbeats or victims with legitimate grievances?

Post by Soi Dog » Tue Apr 21, 2015 7:38 am

vladimir wrote:SD, you are missing the point.

I agree they should pay, btw. Just as soon as Wall St and rogue banks do. How do you feel about that issue? Way more money involved, btw, and far more damage they did. One of the reasons they don't want to pay is that the banks reneged, and they got rewarded.
You are mistaken. What banks reneged? The US banks and financial institutions that received government loans paid back their emergency loans with much interest, or continue to do so. You seem to think "the banks" have their own money. They have depositor's and investor's/bondholders money. Those depositors and bondholders are average citizens who have savings accounts and personal retirement accounts invested in mutual funds. Most Americans have such retirement accounts through their employers, which can't be spent until they reach retirement age. A bailout of the banks is a bailout of average, working class American's life savings. Far from ideal, but a necessary evil. That's how I feel about that issue. However, bailing out those students who borrowed large sums for a useless degree from a major university (and now refuse to pay) is taking from those hard working taxpayers and giving it to deadbeats.
vladimir wrote:And there are also a lot of people becoming lawyers and doctors simply to make money rather than helping people. The market for lawyers is overcrowded, the state needs to start limiting numbers, but no, it's way too profitable for them.
So what? It is their choice of what career to go into and for what reasons. I got news for you, most of us work for the money. I didn't study engineering and spend a decade in the friggin' Middle East because I loved calculus and falafels. I did it for the money, and to make my life better and more financially secure after a decade of struggling just to survive. Your local house painter doesn't do that job for the overall good of humanity. He is simply making his living the best way he knows how. It's none of my business why others do what they do for a living. Find me those who illegally sponge off the hard work of others and I will lambast them too. Those professions will be "overcrowded" when new lawyers and doctors can't make a living.
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Re: Deadbeats or victims with legitimate grievances?

Post by vladimir » Tue Apr 21, 2015 12:07 pm

SD, I understand how banks are funded. I worked for one, my first job, I regret to say.

'calculus and falafels', lol. :lol:

From what I hear, the market is already flooded with lawyers, it's not some futuristic phenomenon, and like you I also don't care what people study, but I do feel a responsible govt should educate people about the return on their choices.
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