Facebook versus Australia
Re: Facebook versus Australia
ScoMo has obviously been given the word from Higher Headquarters.
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Re: Facebook versus Australia
^^^ 'Not sure i would characterise it like that at all, Timtimmydownawell wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:35 am In breaking news: Aust government has apparently capitulated, and has watered down their media legislation, so Facebook will be restoring news site today.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-23/ ... e/13173984
The government is working on the tax issue - for the first time ever, and amongst the 1st countries ever.timmydownawell wrote: ↑Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:57 am Government should work on the tax issue. If News Corp etc are feeling hard done by from FB it's not the government's issue. They shouldn't be involved.
It is the government's sacred role to shape society - not Mark Zuckerberg's. < the inevitable result of your suggested course of non-intervention.
Of course they should be involved.
Just because it suits News Corp, it does not mean bringing Facebook to heel it is not a good thing.
Just because the Gov sucks up to Murdoch, does not mean curbing Facebook's out-of-control power is not a very good thing.
Hey, i fully understand the scepticism. I hate Murdoch and i intensely dislike Morrison's politics generally - but Facebook is causing havoc and needs to be bought under control. Full stop.
In politics - you pick your allies for their power, not for their purity.
and you take you territory when you can.
That's good government (real life) #101
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Re: Facebook versus Australia
Don't get me wrong, FB is bad. But the govt sucking up to Murdoch when there's a federal election coming up any time after August into 2022 is very, very suss. FB, Google and Twitter drive a massive amount of traffic to news sites, which in turn drives subscriptions for those providers. Penalising FB for that is a very strange way to approach assistance to failing old media.
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Re: Facebook versus Australia
Isn't it the case that News Corp (Murdoch), Seven News and Nine News are all listed companies on the ASX and therefore pay OZ taxes and employ local journalists. FB OTOH is a US company, yet they regurgitate local news and don't pay any tax in Australia.
Re: Facebook versus Australia
In Australia, the site paid nearly $13 million ” 30 per cent ” during the 2017-8 financial year, according to documents from the Australian Tax Office (ATO). It paid a similar amount to the previous financial year despite earning nearly $150 million more due to a reduced taxable income.
FACEBOOK AUSTRALIA PTY LIMITED Overall income Taxable income Tax paid Tax rate
2017 – 2018 $479,897,834 $42,465,671 $12,739,701 29.99%
2016 – 2017 $331,366,976 $41,914,024 $12,574,207 30%
https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2020/02/how- ... australia/
FACEBOOK AUSTRALIA PTY LIMITED Overall income Taxable income Tax paid Tax rate
2017 – 2018 $479,897,834 $42,465,671 $12,739,701 29.99%
2016 – 2017 $331,366,976 $41,914,024 $12,574,207 30%
https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2020/02/how- ... australia/
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Re: Facebook versus Australia
Thanks for the link. I didn't know they had a local subsidiary so I'm mistaken about that. However, reading that article I note:nemo wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:56 pm In Australia, the site paid nearly $13 million ” 30 per cent ” during the 2017-8 financial year, according to documents from the Australian Tax Office (ATO). It paid a similar amount to the previous financial year despite earning nearly $150 million more due to a reduced taxable income.
FACEBOOK AUSTRALIA PTY LIMITED Overall income Taxable income Tax paid Tax rate
2017 – 2018 $479,897,834 $42,465,671 $12,739,701 29.99%
2016 – 2017 $331,366,976 $41,914,024 $12,574,207 30%
https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2020/02/how- ... australia/
This Is How Little Tax Tech Companies Pay In Australia
Some of the biggest tech companies in the world have been known to shift profits around to minimise the amount of tax paid. The Australian Taxation Office (ATO) just released a report for the 2017/8 financial year, and while most companies appeared to be paying the full corporate tax rate, others paid a lot less. Some even paid nothing.
Dr Antony Ting, a tax evasion expert at University of Sydney, explained to us in December last year that paying a portion of their total income is common among multi-national enterprises (MNE) like Facebook and Google.
“Even though MNEs like Google and Facebook operate as global highly integrated enterprises, evidence revealed that their subsidiaries in Australia are reporting profit margins much lower than the group’s overall profit margins, and much of the group’s profits are booked in low tax jurisdictions,” Dr Antony Ting told us.
Re: Facebook versus Australia
Well, in a little news snippet today, it appears that "Australia caves in to Facebook: Zuckerberg agrees to reinstate news after government agrees to water down new laws to force tech giants to pay for content."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -laws.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -laws.html
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Re: Facebook versus Australia
FB paid $40 mill tax on $1.5 bill revenue in Australia last year. (ps, they have extremely low operating costs so most of that should have been booked as profit).
"Tax shifting" ie Tax evasion by paying most of that 1.5 bill as faux "licence fees" to other associated companies in low tax vulture Singapore.
They employ just about zero Australians.
They have decimated a crucial cornerstone of our democracy - and dumbed down the general knowledge of the whole world because it suits their biz model.
and they blatantly and openly bully and blackmail the Au Gov, Au Biz and Au homo sapiens.
It is a fact, remarked upon by every single individual, employee, government or regulator that has ever met Mark PoxFace Zuckerberg for 5 minutes, that he firmly and sincerely believes that what is good for FB is good for the world.
Australia tamed Covid but has just found out that this spotty pox is an an even slipperier fish than that.
Tax and regulate the bastard mercilessly until he learns a bit of humility and some good table manners, i reckon.
Flog him too. regularly.
( lol. but unfortunately you bloody mob aint never going to appoint me PM of Au or Tax Commissioner of the World.
Snowflakes! )
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"Tax shifting" ie Tax evasion by paying most of that 1.5 bill as faux "licence fees" to other associated companies in low tax vulture Singapore.
They employ just about zero Australians.
They have decimated a crucial cornerstone of our democracy - and dumbed down the general knowledge of the whole world because it suits their biz model.
and they blatantly and openly bully and blackmail the Au Gov, Au Biz and Au homo sapiens.
It is a fact, remarked upon by every single individual, employee, government or regulator that has ever met Mark PoxFace Zuckerberg for 5 minutes, that he firmly and sincerely believes that what is good for FB is good for the world.
Australia tamed Covid but has just found out that this spotty pox is an an even slipperier fish than that.
Tax and regulate the bastard mercilessly until he learns a bit of humility and some good table manners, i reckon.
Flog him too. regularly.
( lol. but unfortunately you bloody mob aint never going to appoint me PM of Au or Tax Commissioner of the World.
Snowflakes! )
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Re: Facebook versus Australia
Hey Yerg.Yerg wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:39 pm Well, in a little news snippet today, it appears that "Australia caves in to Facebook: Zuckerberg agrees to reinstate news after government agrees to water down new laws to force tech giants to pay for content."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -laws.html
Hold your horses everybody - here is a very different take on todays events..
Facebook's capitulation in Australia is the beginning of the project to regulate Big Tech – not the end
A week ago, Facebook was telling media companies they would not do any deal if the news media bargaining code became law. Now it appears to accept the right of Australia’s elected representatives to set the rules.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/ ... ot-the-end
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Re: Facebook versus Australia
He has a nice 'Caesar' haircut thoughMark PoxFace Zuckerberg
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