The end of mutual assured destruction

newkidontheblock · Post by **newkidontheblock** » Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:32 pm

Then United Nations just ratified a treaty to ban nuclear weapons.

That would make possession of a nuclear weapon illegal.

It would also end the fear of mutual assured destruction.

The fear of mutual assured destruction is what has prevented major powers from going to war with each other (culminating in 2 world wars) since 1945.

The predecessor of the UN, the League of Nations outlawed war itself. Didn’t stop Hitler from invading Poland, nor Russia from invading Finland, nor Japan from invading China.

My prediction. The world will become more dangerous in the future.

Any future war has a big chance of spiraling out of control because victory is now potentially possible.

I’ll put my tin foil hat back on, now.

Splashback · Post by **Splashback** » Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:38 pm

Who ever listens to the UN when it inconveniences them? Certainly not Russia and the US.

Post by **Freightdog** » Sun Oct 25, 2020 3:18 pm

I’m fairly certain that more than a few countries would thumb nose the idea. Are they going to arrest North Korea? Hold it in detention somewhere? Grab tubby and incarcerate him on a small island somewhere with just his desert islands playlis and a box of Kleenex?
Along with that, nuclear weapons is so last century. There’s probably a whole load more interesting ways to achieve the same goal without rendering the local environment uninhabitable to anything living.

I’d think it would be like writing a strongly worded diplomatic letter to Iran if they get a little fractious around Hormuz.

Jerry Atrick · Post by **Jerry Atrick** » Sun Oct 25, 2020 3:27 pm

Freightdog wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 3:18 pm I’m fairly certain that more than a few countries would thumb nose the idea. Are they going to arrest North Korea? Hold it in detention somewhere? Grab tubby and incarcerate him on a small island somewhere with just his desert islands playlis and a box of Kleenex?
Along with that, nuclear weapons is so last century. There’s probably a whole load more interesting ways to achieve the same goal without rendering the local environment uninhabitable to anything living.

I’d think it would be like writing a strongly worded diplomatic letter to Iran if they get a little fractious around Hormuz.

Whatever about NK, the US, UK, Israel, Iran, Russia would all sign the treaty and not decommission jack shit.

Just hot air from the UN, as usual

IraHayes · Post by **IraHayes** » Sun Oct 25, 2020 3:37 pm

China thanks you for not thinking about them when considering countries who may mis-use their nuclear arsenal.

Post by **Freightdog** » Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:31 pm

IraHayes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 3:37 pm China thanks you for not thinking about them when considering countries who may mis-use their nuclear arsenal.

You’re having a larf, no? China thanking us?

China mis-use and abuse just about everything at will. They’re probably at home now with their Fishy Prize chemistry sets, cooking up something to tickle the rest of the world with.

In chinese language, alphabetically, where on the list would nuclear weapons be? Compared with, say, flooding the market with knock off products, human trafficking, deep frying rabid wildlife?

IraHayes · Post by **IraHayes** » Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:54 pm

Freightdog wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:31 pm
IraHayes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 3:37 pm China thanks you for not thinking about them when considering countries who may mis-use their nuclear arsenal.

You’re having a larf, no? China thanking us?

China mis-use and abuse just about everything at will. They’re probably at home now with their Fishy Prize chemistry sets, cooking up something to tickle the rest of the world with.

In chinese language, alphabetically, where on the list would nuclear weapons be? Compared with, say, flooding the market with knock off products, human trafficking, deep frying rabid wildlife?

It was just a light hearted way of highlighting the fact that the countries we automatically think of when our attention is drawn to nuclear weapons does not include China. Which is odd, as you point out their many failings in all areas including honesty in geopolitics.

Mind you, on further consideration, our thoughts jumping to Russia may be due to our ages. We are all old enough to have lived through the Cold War and all the media attention surrounding potential nuclear holocaust.

xandreu · Post by **xandreu** » Sun Oct 25, 2020 6:08 pm

You can't un-invent something. The only way we will ever get rid of nuclear weapons is if we can come up with something even deadlier to replace them with.

It's difficult to say whether they've been responsible for keeping world peace. I think they've played their part but so have other things such as globalisation. When nations trade with each other and have active investments in each others territories, they are less inclined to go to war with each other.

I don't think a UN resolution will have any impact on the number of nuclear arms to be fair.

Post by **Freightdog** » Sun Oct 25, 2020 6:28 pm

Rules and laws are generally only respected by.....

Post by **Freightdog** » Sun Oct 25, 2020 6:28 pm

....those most likely not to be constrained by rules and laws, by virtue of respecting other people.

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