Supreme Court Justice RBG Dies

TWY · Post by **TWY** » Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:28 pm

Brody wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:27 am Yeah, he'll spin it any way he can.

He's fucking ruthless and relentless.........my money is on him getting his way. Calls of hypocrisy be damned.

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Where he was hypocritical was in not holding hearings and taking a vote. He is correct that the president nominates an individual for the Supreme Court and then the Senate takes up the nominee and approves or rejects. Where I think McConnell was disingenuous was in not have the Senate vote on Obama's nominee. He extended the whole process to include even the vetting of the nominee in hearings - basically saying that all Republicans will vote no so no need to have hearings.

I have no issue with all Republicans voting no.... but they should have had to do it.

This is all part of a larger shift in Congress where our elected representatives avoid taking votes on all kinds of matters. Better to not have to explain yourself to voters.

TWY · Post by **TWY** » Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:37 pm

SternAAlbifrons wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 1:39 pm This is all new, and a bit of shock to those of us who live under the Westminster system
- the basic system of government for most former and current British Commonwealth countries

At the heart of this system is the concept of the separation of powers between the three branches of government:
The Legislature - the Parliament, which makes the law.
The Executive: the Governor, Prime Minister/Premier, Ministers, departments and agencies, which implement the law.
The Judiciary: the courts, which interpret and apply the law.

Hence the politicisation of the Judiciary just does not play out anything like it does it does in USA.

This has the advantage of the citizenry having a pretty high level of faith in the judiciary - they have reason to believe proceedings will be fair, overseen by judges that are NOT chosen for their political allegiances, ideological leanings or to win the next election.

Similar too for electing judges - also unthinkable under the westminster system. Popularity and posturing are not the playthings of judges. They are supposed to be removed from all that.

Of course some politics, and personal political prejudices, do come into play. But i don't think it could seriously be argued that in this system the judiciary is as politicised to any where near the degree that it is in the USA.

A sincere and respectful question - What do our american friends (and allies) see as the advantage of their system of appointing the judiciary according to such obviously partisan practices?

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We used to have an almost similar end result. Presidents nominated people to the Supreme Court. But what has changed is that judges are now being selected not on their legal reputations. But rather on where they have been on the political spectrum. And nominating hearings focus not on legal ability but on perceived future legal outcomes.

This is also enabled by judges themselves that signal early in their careers where they sit on the political spectrum and work hard to distinguish themselves to a certain segment of the political spectrum.

If one studies the Supreme Court you'd find many examples of justices being appointed by various presidents and then voting against some of the things said presidents where doing/trying to do. This is much rarer now as unless one's legal philosophy changes over time, most outcomes are known beforehand. That is not to say that Justices don't often wrestle with many of the issues before them.

And most observers would point to the nomination of Robert Bork as being the beginning of this nonsense. Whether or not you agreed with his legal philosophy, he was certainly qualified to be on the court and was blocked based on assumed outcomes of specific cases. Its only gone downhill since.

newkidontheblock · Post by **newkidontheblock** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:25 am

No need to worry. Nancy Pelosi has already announced that she will impeach President Trump for the high crime of nominating a Supreme Court Justice (whomever it is) to replace Ginsberg. Or possibly impeach the attorney general for making a suggestion. Everything is a high crime and related back to Russia.

Nominating a justice to the Supreme Court and the Senate confirming a nomination is NOT listed in the US Constitution, and therefore, a criminal act by a president.

RGB = Ruth Bader Ginsberg. A liberal endearing term of respect for the deceased Supreme Court Justice.

Alex · Post by **Alex** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:57 am

newkidontheblock wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:25 am RGB = Ruth Bader Ginsberg. A liberal endearing term of respect for the deceased Supreme Court Justice.

You mean like JKF = John Fitzgerald Kennedy?

phuketrichard · Post by **phuketrichard** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:25 am

ITS RBG!!!

get it right

Reuters

NEW YORK (Reuters) - A majority of Americans, including many Republicans, want the winner of the November presidential election to name a successor to Ruth Bader Ginsburg on the U.S. Supreme Court, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll released on Sunday.

The national opinion poll, conducted Sept. 19-20 after Ginsburg's death was announced, suggests that many Americans object to President Donald Trump's plan, backed by many Senate Republicans, to push through another lifetime appointee and cement a 6-3 conservative majority on the court

The poll found that 62% of American adults agreed the vacancy should be filled by the winner of the Nov. 3 matchup between Trump and Democratic former Vice President Joe Biden, while 23% disagreed and the rest said they were not sure.
Eight out of 10 Democrats - and five in 10 Republicans - agreed that the appointment should wait until after the election.

Chad Sexington · Post by **Chad Sexington** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:57 am

I’m not a gambling man, but I’d bet my house that whoever the Republicans nomination for SCJ is, the Democrats will come up with some spurious victim claiming they were sexual assaulted by the nominee, or witness to the nominee committing some other crime.

(I’d like to apologize in advance to Feelgood and Explorer for the following

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Scripts/testimonies have already been delivered to all the top Hollywood acting agencies, and the Democrats are holding auditions for the rolls of victim and witness.
It’s rumored Whoopi Goldberg has been awarded the lead roll of “high school classmate sexually assaulted by the SCJ nominee”, while Alec Baldwin, Robert Deniro and Jussi Smollet are shortlisted for the roll of “person who witnessed the SCJ nominee eating a human baby while shaking hands with a Russian”

CaptainCanuck · Post by **CaptainCanuck** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:30 am

Apollo91881 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:35 am Don't bother showing statements by the dems in 2016. The GOP set the standard and reasoning in 2016. Now they are going back on it.
In the end it doesn't matter. No matter what, those with money will control the law and politics leaving those without to whine and cry as though they had a choice.
That's probably why so many people would rather see change, even if it is to watch the world burn. That's what will get Trump another 4 years. That and believing the lies.

Hahaha ..... ignore what we said, only remember what they said ....... (because that’s to our advantage right now) ..... you lefties with TDS are nothing if not consistent in your hypocrisy ....... Tell me, does one get dizzy often seeing as how you never maintain a firm stance ?? Asking for a friend

TheImplication · Post by **TheImplication** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:38 am

Chad Sexington wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:57 am I’m not a gambling man, but I’d bet my house that whoever the Republicans nomination for SCJ is, the Democrats will come up with some spurious victim claiming they were sexual assaulted by the nominee, or witness to the nominee committing some other crime.

(I’d like to apologize in advance to Feelgood and Explorer for the following )

Scripts/testimonies have already been delivered to all the top Hollywood acting agencies, and the Democrats are holding auditions for the rolls of victim and witness.
It’s rumored Whoopi Goldberg has been awarded the lead roll of “high school classmate sexually assaulted by the SCJ nominee”, while Alec Baldwin, Robert Deniro and Jussi Smollet are shortlisted for the roll of “person who witnessed the SCJ nominee eating a human baby while shaking hands with a Russian”

Trump already confirmed it will be a woman replacement, so democrats may have a hard time using the standard rape accusation. One of the front runners is Cuban American, so if the democrats try what they did with Kavanaugh, it’s going to hurt them in the election with both women and Cubans in Florida.

Oumedc · Post by **Oumedc** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:00 am

Brody wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:16 am It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Scalia died before the last election and Mitch McConnell refused to let an Obama appointee go through, saying that the new president should make the appointment, as the death occurred in an election year.

Same predicament now but with political parties reversed.

Yes you are so wrong and right at the same time... Its a Different day.. clocks have moved history so far after Covid...
But as wrote above this election is going to be crazy

Post by **Username Taken** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:48 am

phuketrichard wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:25 am

ITS RBG!!!

get it right

That's what it says on that sign.

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