Europe relapsing back into a Covd-19 nightmare?

Doc67 · Post by **Doc67** » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:26 am

The case numbers coming out of Europe are looking very bad. Of course, testing was much more sporadic back in February and March and it is likely that many more people were actually infected, but uncounted, which created the chaotic scenes in the hospitals throughout Europe.

However, as peoples patience wanes, the young are now the highest level of infections. The treatment protocols are much better now so hopefully healthcare systems can withstand the next wave of serious cases coming through their doors.

Here are some graphics:

Spain

France

Netherlands

UK

Italy

Belgium

Germany

Austria

Sweden (still doing very well)

Kammekor · Post by **Kammekor** » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:55 am

Those graphs all show the number of people testing positive for (a part of) the virus' RNA in their throat of their nose.

Those are not the number of sick people, or hospitalized people, or even people with symptoms.

In The Netherlands the amount of people infected per day has nearly reached the numbers reached in March. Still, hospitalizations are only 2% of the number back in March. And there's a reason, 90% of all the infected people in the Netherlands are aged under 60, 61% are even under 40 years old. Most of them will never need treatment.

whatwat · Post by **whatwat** » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:57 am

Deaths are much lower now.

Doc67 · Post by **Doc67** » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:04 am

Kammekor wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:55 am Those graphs all show the number of people testing positive for (a part of) the virus' RNA in their throat of their nose.

Those are not the number of sick people, or hospitalized people, or even people with symptoms.

In The Netherlands the amount of people infected per day has nearly reached the numbers reached in March. Still, hospitalizations are only 2% of the number back in March. And there's a reason, 90% of all the infected people in the Netherlands are aged under 60, 61% are even under 40 years old. Most of them will never need treatment.

What were those numbers back in March? It's not the 90% that are the concern, it's the other 10% that overwhelm healthcare systems. And back in March the problems were of people becoming infected in January and February that went undetected and untested, and went on to infect so many more. Only when parts of Europe were drenched in the stuff and the hospitals started to fill up did everyone realise the scale of the problem. This time they can see it coming. The true level of infections are likely to be far more than those figures on the graphs, just like last time.

Anyway, time will tell.

Kammekor · Post by **Kammekor** » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:13 am

If you tell me how to upload a pic from my hard drive I'll show you.

Doc67 · Post by **Doc67** » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:16 am

Kammekor wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:13 am If you tell me how to upload a pic from my hard drive I'll show you.

This one, and then search for the file and double click on it

Anthony's Weiner · Post by **Anthony's Weiner** » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:16 am

Canada had 1400+ new Covid19 cases on Sept 8th, the highest daily count since May 3rd. 439,000 new cases worldwide on the first of September worldwide, the highest daily number since the pandemic began. 2400+ new cases in the UK on Sept 8th , eqaul to the number on March 27th.

Deaths from Covid 19 on Sept 4 worldwide were 6000, equal to the beginning of April. 1070 deaths in the USA on Sept 3 equal to April 2. 27,000,000
Covid19 cases worldwide with 893,000 deaths.

Perhaps the virus has a lower morbidity rate but as the number of people infected increases exponentially, the number of dead humans will continue to climb.

Kammekor · Post by **Kammekor** » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:22 am

This is the latest info for the Netherlands. Source: https://coronadashboard.rijksoverheid.nl/

Left the number of hospitalizations per day.
Right the number of positive test.

There was a peak of positive tests on Aug 11th, four weeks ago. But nothing happened in the hospitals. That line has been more or less flat for months.

There simply seems to be no relation between positive tests and the number of people getting seriously sick.

Kammekor · Post by **Kammekor** » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:31 am

Anthony's Weiner wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:16 am Canada had 1400+ new Covid19 cases on Sept 8th, the highest daily count since May 3rd. 439,000 new cases worldwide on the first of September worldwide, the highest daily number since the pandemic began. 2400+ new cases in the UK on Sept 8th , eqaul to the number on March 27th.

Deaths from Covid 19 on Sept 4 worldwide were 6000, equal to the beginning of April. 1070 deaths in the USA on Sept 3 equal to April 2. 27,000,000
Covid19 cases worldwide with 893,000 deaths.

Perhaps the virus has a lower morbidity rate but as the number of people infected increases exponentially, the number of dead humans will continue to climb.

Yes, the number of people dying from CoVid19 will continue to climb over time, but so will the number of people dying from other viruses. The virus is with us, and will stay with us. Infections go up, and infections will go up more when the Northern Hemisphere goes into winter. But the number of infections is a very bad number to base policies on. There seems no relation between the number of recorded infections and the strain on healthcare.

Anthony's Weiner · Post by **Anthony's Weiner** » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:43 am

Kammekor wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:31 am
Anthony's Weiner wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:16 am Canada had 1400+ new Covid19 cases on Sept 8th, the highest daily count since May 3rd. 439,000 new cases worldwide on the first of September worldwide, the highest daily number since the pandemic began. 2400+ new cases in the UK on Sept 8th , eqaul to the number on March 27th.

Deaths from Covid 19 on Sept 4 worldwide were 6000, equal to the beginning of April. 1070 deaths in the USA on Sept 3 equal to April 2. 27,000,000
Covid19 cases worldwide with 893,000 deaths.

Perhaps the virus has a lower morbidity rate but as the number of people infected increases exponentially, the number of dead humans will continue to climb.
Yes, the number of people dying from CoVid19 will continue to climb over time, but so will the number of people dying from other viruses. The virus is with us, and will stay with us. Infections go up, and infections will go up more when the Northern Hemisphere goes into winter. But the number of infections is a very bad number to base policies on. There seems no relation between the number of recorded infections and the strain on healthcare.

https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/COVIDNet/COVID19_5.html

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... alizations

I don t agree with you and suggest you visit both these cdc sites for a truer picture if you really want to see the relationship between number of cases and number of hospitalizations

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